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    Antonio McDyess and RJ For Josh Howard and Jason Terry

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    Of course getting a legitimate #2 big would benefit this team. And if you're talking solely improvement and just giving the team a better chance at a longer more respectable playoff-run, I'd have no argument. But when you're talking Championship, there's just too many issues for them to be shored up with one player (they've just got a bit of an ill-fitted team to go about business as usual).

    They just don't have the intelligence, grit and savvy in their supporting cast/role players to make the heady play, rotation or exhibit the proper discipline to carry out a game plan on both ends (when Pop alludes to effort not being a problem, it can be one of two things: They're having mental breakdowns (which can be lack of discipline or intelligence) or they're not physically capable.

    While discipline can theoretically be corrected, I'm afraid it's not an either or; the perimeter D lacks size and/or experience in their best defenders and the interior D is obviously lacking. RJ and Tony playing heavy minutes won't help with your defense, either (for different reasons, as RJ is prone to the mental error and lacks the lateral quickness and Tony's just never been more than passable, really, when healthy; which he's not completely)

    My argument has never been to say this team was crap; they're not. It's just been my belief from Day-1 that they were a flawed team that was in need of a move, possibly two, to get to a Championship level. Sadly, I had given them the benefit of a doubt because of past greatness, and past accomplishments.

    Following this team so closely for so long, I became accustomed to thinking that it was all about them and what they did (it really used to be). But that time has gone. You can't simply say that if all goes to plan, they'll be where they want to be; they're just not that team anymore. They know it, the opposition knows it and now the fans are slowly starting to acknowledge it. All you have to do is look how these middle-of-the-pack teams play the Spurs nowadays; there's no fear-factor or mental-edge preventing them from dropping the Spurs.

    The Spurs need more than just a tangible piece, imo; it's the intangibles they've lost that have brought them back to the pack.

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    This trade :

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yjbumay

    Tim Duncan -> Cleveland
    Ilgauskas + Moon + Gibson -> San Antonio

    Why ?

    Because i want to see Tim Duncan win 1 or 2 more rings !
    Because Tim + Shack + Lebron would be badassss !
    Because i want to see the multiple threads of "WTF is that trade" by Lakers fans !
    Because i want to see the old Tim & Shack destroy the soft Bynum & Gasol !
    Because i want to see the face of KB24 when he'll see Tim & Shack win their 5th ring !

    And because the Spurs are not going to make the playoffs this year.
    Start over, draft in the 1st 10 picks 2 or 3 years in a row... Maybe we'll be lucky and get a new franchise player.
    Bring Tiago Splitter next year and play the young guys.
    If Tony & Manu want to stay, good... if not trade them or give them to contenders.

    Now, you can yell at me !
    timaios u da man funny and clever stuff!

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    Here's a pie in the trade sky -

    Richard Jefferson for Corey Maggette and Raja Bell

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yhppuaz

    Roger Mason and Ian Mahinmi for Brendan Haywood

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yg57qu9

    The Warriors get rid of their Maggette contract that they so wanted to give up and pick up a Don Nelson system player who replaces Stephen Jackson pretty effectively. Spurs give up their Jefferson experiment and instead get a very useful second option behind Duncan for scoring now that Parker is PF affected and Ginobili is more PG than SG. If Raja Bell recovers well within February as is expected.. he gets back in time for the playoffs to do the Bruce Bowen imitation along with Keith Bogans as his sidekick.

    The second trade is more hypothetical than the first - don't know whether the Wizards will do an expiring for expirings trade, unless they like what they see in Mahinmi and think he can be useful for them. Roger Mason, being the good Washington kid and the team suffering from a negative image, adds an angel to go along with Jamison in their attempt to resurrect some image. Will they give up their best shot blocker and most consistent big man on the team? Who knows..with what the "bullets" have gone through this season.. they might do an Indiana Pacers and shed whatever they have.

    Haywood is not the best center who could play with Duncan but he is the closest to a good shot blocker that Duncan needs in the front court. His is also an expiring contract and by replacing Mason with Hairston in the rotation, the Spurs will not be losing too much in the SG department.
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    hollinger's analysis.. +1 win lol..

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    hollinger's analysis.. +1 win lol..
    Check again.. JH's analysis for both trades - +7 wins, +1 wins = +8 wins..

    Hypothetically,the Spurs would be 33-9 now if JH's analyses held.

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    Check again.. JH's analysis for both trades - +7 wins, +1 wins = +8 wins..

    Hypothetically,the Spurs would be 33-9 now if JH's analyses held.
    I like Maggette better than RJ and think he would fit better. He is a better mid range shooter and can get to the line a lot more than RJ.

    Maggette wanted to play here too last season and if the Spurs were able to offer more money closer to Goldenstate's offer I think he would be here now.

    I don't think he'll forget about Pop and Tim trying to get him here and if he was on the team I think he would put in the effort to play defense. I don't think he'd do that for many people, but I do think he would do that here.

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    I get the feeling Haywood would pull a KT/Dice and his numbers would fall off a cliff.

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    someone mentioned a jefferson + filler for iguodala and dalembert.

    jefferson + mason + bonner for iguodala + dalembert work salary wise.

    i would do that in a blink of an eye. kind of makes sense for the sixers since they get a 20ppg scorer back, save millions this year, and get about $7 million in expiring contracts. spurs will have to heavily sweeten the deal though. a first round pick and goodbye to splitter. i don't believe dalembert will be of any use except block shots. his man to man defense isn't that great. low bbal iq too. but iguodala would be everything the spurs thought jefferson would be. an athletic wing who plays solid defense.

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    Philly's going to dump their 26 year old go-to guy (who averaged 21, 6, and 7 in the playoffs) . . . so they can build around Elton Brand's cap-killing contract and Tiago Splitter?


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    You can`t win a , if Igy is your gtg. This guy suck as 1st option. Many game winning decision made bad this year.

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    someone mentioned a jefferson + filler for iguodala and dalembert.

    jefferson + mason + bonner for iguodala + dalembert work salary wise.

    i would do that in a blink of an eye. kind of makes sense for the sixers since they get a 20ppg scorer back, save millions this year, and get about $7 million in expiring contracts. spurs will have to heavily sweeten the deal though. a first round pick and goodbye to splitter. i don't believe dalembert will be of any use except block shots. his man to man defense isn't that great. low bbal iq too. but iguodala would be everything the spurs thought jefferson would be. an athletic wing who plays solid defense.
    The trouble with Iguodala's contract is that it runs for 5 years topping at $15 million. That ruins the Spurs' financial flexibility for a long time into the future. AI is a good player, no doubt, but Spurs would have to alter their plans both in the immediate and in the later to accommodate this huge contract.

    Maggette's $9-11 million/year till 2013 contract is more flexible comparitively.

    Besides,I don't like Dalembert's contract or his reliability that much. Haywood in his contract season can be expected to deliver pretty much well.

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    What does that have to do with the fan base being fickle? Nothing is done with 100% certainty. All you can ask for from the team you root for is that they try and win.

    They have done that. They made moves that made sense and that they thought could give them the best shot to win. They spent money and put out a team that could compete.

    So far it has not worked out, but that does not mean fans should and moan like a bunch of spoiled brats. Sometimes things don't work out, but you take it like a man and move forward. There is nothing wrong with wanting improvements, but there is something wrong with crying like little malcontents and whining over moves that everyone would have made. Especially when those moves were made with the best of intentions.

    Fickle fan base.

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    he may be a fraudulent franchise player, but as long as Chris Wallace isn't colluding in the Philly head offices on behalf of the Spurs, it's more than reasonable to presume that he's not getting dumped for Tiago Splitter & cap savings starting a year from now.

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    RJ is very similar to Igy. Philly isn`t going anywhere with Igy and his 5 years deal. They can get only 2 year contract instead. This season is done for them. Next year shouldnt be better. With RJ`s contract and without Dalembert`s and Igoudala`s, they can play theirs younger players, be on same level, take some time and rebuild in 2011.

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    The only player who I wouldn't mind seeing to go right now is RJ, but even then, I don't think we should trade him yet. Not now.

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    The only player who I wouldn't mind seeing to go right now is RJ, but even then, I don't think we should trade him yet. Not now.
    3 weeks till deadline. Better start sneaking around right now.

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    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yzt4el7

    Magic Lineup will be

    Howard/Anderson
    Ducan/Bass
    Lewis/Barnes
    Manu/Hill
    Nelson/Williams
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    coaches can be traded .
    And/or teams compensated for the *loss*.

    Bosh in place of Popped makes us immediately 10Xs better.
    Does it now?

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    Philly's going to dump their 26 year old go-to guy (who averaged 21, 6, and 7 in the playoffs) . . . so they can build around Elton Brand's cap-killing contract and Tiago Splitter?

    Exactly my thoughts... and next year somebody is going to say "we should have traded for Iggy" like it was even a possibility...

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    Haven't read through the entire thread, but here's one:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yz4t3sb

    Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison for Jefferson, Finley, Mahinmi, and probably a first round pick.

    Only reason the Wizards would do this is if they're in complete rebuilding/saving money mode. Would save them ~$2 million for the rest of this year, $8 mil next year, and $15 mil in 2011-12.

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    We need a big!! Dice sucks..

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    Haven't read through the entire thread, but here's one:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yz4t3sb

    Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison for Jefferson, Finley, Mahinmi, and probably a first round pick.

    Only reason the Wizards would do this is if they're in complete rebuilding/saving money mode. Would save them ~$2 million for the rest of this year, $8 mil next year, and $15 mil in 2011-12.
    Or, if you want Haywood and really want to go crazy:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yjhdkh7

    Butler, Jamison, and Haywood for Jefferson, Finley, Mahinmi, Mason, Ratliff, first round pick, second round pick, a few million dollars, the rights to name and market Tony and Eva's first child, and a partridge in a pear tree.


    (Okay, so I don't really expect either of these trades to happen, but we did say to think big. )

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    Or, if you want Haywood and really want to go crazy:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yjhdkh7

    Butler, Jamison, and Haywood for Jefferson, Finley, Mahinmi, Mason, Ratliff, first round pick, second round pick, a few million dollars, the rights to name and market Tony and Eva's first child, and a partridge in a pear tree.


    (Okay, so I don't really expect either of these trades to happen, but we did say to think big. )

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