I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.

[TJastal]

Made a little jpeg to express my feelings towards Jefferson.
Couldn't upload the pic into my post (for whatever reasons), so i put it in my sig. (hint: it's not the Timmy-gif)

Your a riot.

[pookenstein]

Your a riot.

Naah, just extremely pissed with our overall situation.

[antgomez2009]

This is just horrible!

14 million, and producing less then bogans at times!

I mean, i hope its becaue he is hurt like others are saying, but even then, Parker is playing with the plantar injury, and is trying as much as he can to be sub par or produce what the team needs!

Tim looks fatigue and slow, and he is my favorite player! But he has heart that will carry him and his fundamentals for a while!

Manu, is busting his but out there, but his cluthness is not what it used to be! Still take Manu more then 75% of the league.

everyone else just needs to step up!!!!!!! Including the big three!

I think they def. need to make a trade for some long defensive players and a true center! IMO!!

Defense and killer instinct is lacking big time!!!!

WE NEED A TRADE!!!!!

or Everyone not named Duncan needs to really step their game up!!!!

[in2deep]

dude sucks

[Brazil]

from ken berger. Midseason report.

Most Overrated: Richard Jefferson, Spurs. It turns out Carter wasn't the only ex-Net who didn't have the expected impact on his new team. The Spurs have been slow to figure out how to best take advantage of R.J.'s abilities as a slasher and transition threat. In turn, Jefferson has been slow to figure it out, too.

[NFGIII]

As of now I would like for RJ to come off the bench against 2nd units. Though I've seen TP improve his court vision and thereby his passing I believe that Manu would be a better team mate for RJ at this time. Frankly what do we have to lose?

start Mase at the 3 and see what happens. But that lineup is a little on the small side, too. (I wont go into the Ian/Malik situation since Pop would have to be fired or threatened by Holt to play them) Damn IMO it's most likely too late to drastically change the rotations and be successful but something has to give here. This team will not contend for a le as it stands.

I've been one of those that has been waiting for the corporate knowledge and chemistry "thing" to gel as well as the RR trip experience to finally bring this team together but so far not much has happened.

So disappointing right now.

[spurtilldeath]

2008 Ginobili (before his injuries) was damn great, it was a little different than 2005 Ginobili but it was as good if not better. Manu was on the 3rd all-NBA team that year.

I was expecting that Manu was finally 100% healthy this year and that he would be back at a level quite close to his 2008 one. When you compare both, 2008 Ginobili was an hungry lion and the 2010 is a sweet kitty. Manu is doing some cute things this year (like his assists) but he is nowhere near the level he had before his injuries 18 months ago.

You can call me delusional but it was what I expected from Manu and I'm very disappointed right now by how little he brings to the team.

Looks like you are in minority here. While we all would love to have 2008 and prior version of Manu, we all, atleast most ST folks knew that Manu was not going to be elite. Like TimVP said earlier, Manu, even in games that he cant score effectively, does hustle, rebound, assist and try to defend. And more importantly, he still hasn't lost his skill of play making and brings intangibles to the table every game.

RJ on the other hand, has no injury excuse and the only factor was him being new to the system. While most of us knew he may not score as much as he did before, we expected him to defend better. To be generous, he is simply mediocre in his defense. And that is more disappointing than Manu's play.

[kace]

Looks like you are in minority here. While we all would love to have 2008 and prior version of Manu, we all, atleast most ST folks knew that Manu was not going to be elite. Like TimVP said earlier, Manu, even in games that he cant score effectively, does hustle, rebound, assist and try to defend. And more importantly, he still hasn't lost his skill of play making and brings intangibles to the table every game.

no, he's not. manu's fanbase is always the most vocal, that's all.

manu's intangibles are always brought to the rescue when the stats are obviously against him, even if of course the stats don't say the whole thing.

Manu is very far from what we need from him. Look at his FG %. And as for his assists, his ratio assists/bad passes isn't very good (clearly lower that tony's one this year, even if tony's one is itself a lot lower than previous years, and not really different from the previous years for manu).

His amazing and flashy passes and the fact that he looks more for passes shouldn't be deceptive about his overall passing game or some supposed increased skills in this area.

[spurtilldeath]

no, he's not. manu's fanbase is always the most vocal, that's all.

manu's intangibles are always brought to the rescue when the stats are obviously against him, even if of course the stats don't say the whole thing.

Manu is very far from what we need from him. Look at his FG %. And as for his assists, his ratio assists/bad passes isn't very good (clearly lower that tony's one this year, even if tony's one is itself a lot lower than previous years, and not really different from the previous years for manu).

His amazing and flashy passes and the fact that he looks more for passes shouldn't be deceptive about his overall passing game or some supposed increased skills in this area.

I didnt mean that Manu is not playing well. I agree that he is under performing. But I'm saying he is less of a liability compared to RJ(I dont want to compare to Tony because Tony has an injury reason for not being effective.) RJ absolutely has no reason to not defend well or even try to rebound the ball.

[kace]

I didnt mean that Manu is not playing well. I agree that he is under performing. But I'm saying he is less of a liability compared to RJ(I dont want to compare to Tony because Tony has an injury reason for not being effective.) RJ absolutely has no reason to not defend well or even try to rebound the ball.

i would say they're having the same season more or less.

but manu's has been able to give some sparks from the bench that have provided some runs for the team in some games and so that have been huge for us whereas RJ was almost always a non-factor.

[DesignatedT]

manu hasnt been as good as we all would like. but the FO, assumed this would happen. thats why they brought in RJ. we didnt bring him in to just be a "role player" he is supposed to have all-star nights himself.

[temujin]

2008 Ginobili (before his injuries) was damn great, it was a little different than 2005 Ginobili but it was as good if not better. Manu was on the 3rd all-NBA team that year.

I was expecting that Manu was finally 100% healthy this year and that he would be back at a level quite close to his 2008 one. When you compare both, 2008 Ginobili was an hungry lion and the 2010 is a sweet kitty. Manu is doing some cute things this year (like his assists) but he is nowhere near the level he had before his injuries 18 months ago.

You can call me delusional but it was what I expected from Manu and I'm very disappointed right now by how little he brings to the team.

I am afraid that it is what the team -so to speak- brings to him that matters, from now on.

[temujin]

Got the sandy vagina problem again, eh?

I don't know about, but I'am humble and take it from an expert.

[temujin]

no, he's not. manu's fanbase is always the most vocal, that's all.

manu's intangibles are always brought to the rescue when the stats are obviously against him, even if of course the stats don't say the whole thing.

Manu is very far from what we need from him. Look at his FG %. And as for his assists, his ratio assists/bad passes isn't very good (clearly lower that tony's one this year, even if tony's one is itself a lot lower than previous years, and not really different from the previous years for manu).

His amazing and flashy passes and the fact that he looks more for passes shouldn't be deceptive about his overall passing game or some supposed increased skills in this area.

Too bad he is passing to McDyess, and not to you.
Tha ratio would have been better.

[temujin]

Quite onestly, I think Richard Jefferson is worth more or less DerMarr Johnson.

[cd98]

Richard Jefferson is a good player. He's never been a top player in this league, so I'm not sure what people expected. He's capable of averaging 18+points on a bad team, and 13 points on a good team. His defense is suspect at times. Pretty much what I would have said about him before the trade. People here seem to have had high hopes. Didn't you watch him as a Net? A Buck?

[spurtilldeath]

Richard Jefferson is a good player. He's never been a top player in this league, so I'm not sure what people expected. He's capable of averaging 18+points on a bad team, and 13 points on a good team. His defense is suspect at times. Pretty much what I would have said about him before the trade. People here seem to have had high hopes. Didn't you watch him as a Net? A Buck?

It is not what we saw, it is what Pop said once we got RJ and his expectation that RJ would play decent defense. You think FO didn't do its homework right?

[Johnny RIngo]

Richard Jefferson is a good player. He's never been a top player in this league, so I'm not sure what people expected. He's capable of averaging 18+points on a bad team, and 13 points on a good team. His defense is suspect at times. Pretty much what I would have said about him before the trade. People here seem to have had high hopes. Didn't you watch him as a Net? A Buck?

They expected a player that would impact games. Hill and Blair play a bigger role in our wins than Jefferson does. Pretty embarassing when you consider the kind of hype Jefferson had coming into the team.

[Bukefal]

Regarding TP the most positive thing is the decrease of TOs, the limitation of his FGAs and I think his passing is better.

Now Pop is stupid by playing him huge minutes in the first half when the guy is struggling physically !

Yeah I agree, he should get rest, but that's the thing, I don't think we can afford to rest him so much, without even more increasing damage to our results. We need him, even if he isn't 100% he is still very important, he has shown that even more over the recent games.

[Bukefal]

from ken berger. Midseason report.

Most Overrated: Richard Jefferson, Spurs. It turns out Carter wasn't the only ex-Net who didn't have the expected impact on his new team. The Spurs have been slow to figure out how to best take advantage of R.J.'s abilities as a slasher and transition threat. In turn, Jefferson has been slow to figure it out, too.

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it's such a shame it isnt working out (yet).

[crc21209]

This is just horrible!

14 million, and producing less then bogans at times!

I mean, i hope its becaue he is hurt like others are saying, but even then, Parker is playing with the plantar injury, and is trying as much as he can to be sub par or produce what the team needs!

Tim looks fatigue and slow, and he is my favorite player! But he has heart that will carry him and his fundamentals for a while!

Manu, is busting his but out there, but his cluthness is not what it used to be! Still take Manu more then 75% of the league.

everyone else just needs to step up!!!!!!! Including the big three!

I think they def. need to make a trade for some long defensive players and a true center! IMO!!

Defense and killer instinct is lacking big time!!!!

WE NEED A TRADE!!!!!

or Everyone not named Duncan needs to really step their game up!!!!

For the millionth time....RJ isnt the only and main problem. The problem is Pop going with a crunch-time line-up of Parker, Mason, Hill, Manu, and TD. That is the main problem right there. This small-ball isnt going to cut it....and the Spurs are lacking production in the front court.

[Brazil]

Yeah I agree, he should get rest, but that's the thing, I don't think we can afford to rest him so much, without even more increasing damage to our results. We need him, even if he isn't 100% he is still very important, he has shown that even more over the recent games.

I'm not saying not playing him but at least limit his minutes during the first half to have him fresh for the second half.

[Scola]

MY GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

26:03 Mins, 1-8 FG, 0-2 FTs, -14 +/-, 2 Reb, 0 Ast, ***2 Pts***

It's not even the playoffs and this guy is choking like this, we should of just traded for Captain Jack. :| These are Dark Times...

[poop]

i think RJ would be best in a run and shoot phoenix suns/ golden state/knicks kind of offense...in a deliberate half court setting he seems to be impotent

[Slippy]

I was expecting that Manu was finally 100% healthy this year and that he would be back at a level quite close to his 2008 one. When you compare both, 2008 Ginobili was an hungry lion and the 2010 is a sweet kitty. Manu is doing some cute things this year (like his assists) but he is nowhere near the level he had before his injuries 18 months ago.

You can call me delusional but it was what I expected from Manu and I'm very disappointed right now by how little he brings to the team

Manu stepping up in the passing department is cute and he brings little ? Un-real. You're seeing the game differently to many here. Manu's passing and play-making this season has been beautiful to watch.

The true meaning of cute is ugly but interesting. Manu's scoring is down but he's contributing other ways that arn't as pretty as scoring. Remember, this Spurs team has won being ugly. When i see him dive for a loseball, hustle for a steal, fight for position against bigger SF's and PF's or put his body on the line for a charge. I see a guy trying his guts out. It makes it easy to overlook his scoring. I see a guy that only cares about helping his team to a win. When i see his teammates down on their scoring but doing nothing else to help their team it's a lot harder to digest.

You are delusional. Your emphasis on Tony, scoring and all star numbers is probably why.