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    The silver lining is that at least we'll have the real Parker back next season.
    There aren't any French National Team events this summer?

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    lol if anyone watched the RMJ post game interview, even he was talking about "wtf midget ball pop what are you doing", so even the players are realizing this. Hopefully Pop joins them soon

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    I don't get why are people asking for Ian at this point. There would be little room for him if things were going better than good. As we are right now, you people need to understand that Ian might play only in garbage time. Asking for Ian and stating that we are in big trouble are both inconsistent and contradictory.

    On the other hand I agree with lurker23 in finding room for Bonner in the rotation, doesn't matter how much time he plays but he needs to play at least a bit every night. He's not that streaky, he needs regularity to produce at his best.
    Why is it contradictory? I don't get your reasoning.

    Yes, we're in big trouble and one of the main reasons for that is that we aren't big enough and we get killed on the paint, Ian could help on that regard a little bit. What's contradictory about that?

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    I would guess we have a tougher schedule going forward than just about any of the other top West teams...with more than likely fewer home games.

    Besides...is clawing and scratching our way to a 7th-8th seed what we really want?
    The last time I checked the standings, the teams ahead of us have played about the same amount of home games. The teams below us have played about three or four less home games. I think our schedule is relative to the rest of the conference.

    If we are a 7th or 8th seed, I'll take it. This team has enough playoff and championship experience to cope. But I think we finish fourth or fifth.

    Spurs fans really need to wait and see how we finish the last three games with the Lakers. If we look good against them going into the playoffs, I like our chances.

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    Why is it contradictory? I don't get your reasoning.

    Yes, we're in big trouble and one of the main reasons for that is that we aren't big enough and we get killed on the paint, Ian could help on that regard a little bit. What's contradictory about that?
    Ian is not some kind of last resource. He still is a good prospect and we already passed this season's first half.

    We are currently in the verge of not reaching the playoff. What we need now, as Timvp already said, is to shorten up the rotation.

    At this point we aren't even close to have time for Ian to develop into ... hmph, something.

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    I don't get how people can mention RJ+Manu as the main problems when TP's play has been worse. Not to mention, his decline hurts the team more than Manu's and RJ's. I know TP has an "excuse", but his drastic drop in play for whatever reason is hurting this team just as badly as anyone else.

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    Disagree. The depth of a rotation is overrated. With an 8-man rotation, you can give everyone enough rest.

    C Blair - 26
    PF Duncan - 32
    SF Jefferson - 33
    SG Hill - 32
    PG Parker - 32

    C/PF McDyess - 28
    SF/SG Ginobili - 28
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    am i wrong or this rotation would imply 10 minutes of small ball, almost a quarter ?

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    I don't get how people can mention RJ+Manu as the main problems when TP's play has been worse. Not to mention, his decline hurts the team more than Manu's and RJ's. I know TP has an "excuse", but his drastic drop in play for whatever reason is hurting this team just as badly as anyone else.
    Packing RJ and Manu together is totally wrong. Manu is shooting like , it's highly probable that he regains his shooting with time (I don't even want to think that his legs are the problem though). Other than that, and overall, he's playing good.

    The problem with Tony is that, this season, everyone expected him to be the most dominant player of the Spurs.. and he's not even close to that.

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    Ian is not some kind of last resource. He still is a good prospect and we already passed this season's first half.

    We are currently in the verge of not reaching the playoff. What we need now, as Timvp already said, is to shorten up the rotation.

    At this point we aren't even close to have time for Ian to develop into ... hmph, something.
    I'm sure that if Pop gives him the playing time he would do OK, but if he doesn't then play Ratliff or trade for a 6'10'', 6'11'', 7'0'' guy, our problems won't be fixed until we get a big prsence inside to help Tim.

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    I don't think Manu is playing that great. He had a stretch where he was passing extremely well, but that has gone by the way side a little bit as of late

    A look at RJ's numbers vs Manu's:

    RJ: 31 MPG, 12.5 PTS, 3.6 REB, 2.1 AST, .6 STL, .4 BLK, 1.4 TO's, 46% FG, 36% 3PT, 70% FT

    Manu: 27 MPG, 12.8 PTS, 3.6 REB, 4.4 AST, 1.4 STL, .4 BLK, 1.9 TO's, 39% FG, 36% 3PT, 86% FT

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    I don't get how people can mention RJ+Manu as the main problems when TP's play has been worse. Not to mention, his decline hurts the team more than Manu's and RJ's.
    lol

    A look at RJ's numbers vs Manu's:

    RJ: 31 MPG, 12.5 PTS, 3.6 REB, 2.1 AST, .6 STL, .4 BLK, 1.4 TO's, 46% FG, 36% 3PT, 70% FT

    Manu: 27 MPG, 12.8 PTS, 3.6 REB, 4.4 AST, 1.4 STL, .4 BLK, 1.9 TO's, 39% FG, 36% 3PT, 86% FT
    so add tony's stat line, and you'll see why your previous statement is just plain false.

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    I don't get how people can mention RJ+Manu as the main problems when TP's play has been worse. Not to mention, his decline hurts the team more than Manu's and RJ's. I know TP has an "excuse", but his drastic drop in play for whatever reason is hurting this team just as badly as anyone else.
    TP needs to focus on playmaking. It's getting better but he has to find some type of offensive cohesion with RJ. RJ needs to get as many plays slashing to the basket as possible. I don't know if it's going to happen this season but hopefully, it will before the playoffs.

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    lol



    so add tony's stat line, and you'll see why your previous statement is just plain false.
    Oh really, are you saying TP has played well? Are you saying that his dip in stats is not worse than those two?

    TP 2010: 32 MPG, 17 PTS, 2.5 REB, 5.7 AST, .5 STLS, .2 BLKS, 2.7 TO's, 48%FG, 27%3PT, 77% FT.

    RJ: 31 MPG, 12.5 PTS, 3.6 REB, 2.1 AST, .6 STL, .4 BLK, 1.4 TO's, 46% FG, 36% 3PT, 70% FT

    Manu: 27 MPG, 12.8 PTS, 3.6 REB, 4.4 AST, 1.4 STL, .4 BLK, 1.9 TO's, 39% FG, 36% 3PT, 86% FT

    That is really not much better than anyone else. Especially if you watch the games. TP has been a non factor in many games and has cost the Spurs many games with his decisions. Not to mention he was a TO machine for a long stretch there. He was supposed to be the best of the big 3 going forward, but instead he has taken the largest step backwards.

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    A look at PER:

    TP: 23.4 from last year to 17.1 this year.

    Manu: 22.9 from last year to 19.7 this year.

    RJ: 15.4 from last year to 12.9 this year.

    So even though TP does not have the worst PER of the 3, he certainly has the biggest drop off by a large margin and a worse PER than Manu. Like I said, you cannot chastise RJ and Manu and leave out TP. His drop in play has hurt the team the most, which is what I meant originally.

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    Ian is not that ing good. Jesus people go insane over ONE good game.

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    I'm sure that if Pop gives him the playing time he would do OK


    What's doing ok to Ian? Playing 3-4 awesome minutes? It'll fix most of our problems.. I'm sure!

    And I repeat, Manu is playing good, shooting horrible. He'll bring it if healthy, and he's been healthy a somehow long time. He's the last of our problems.

    By the way, stats doesn't reflect RJ suckness. He's not being the defender the FO was sure he would be, playing for a tough team, and a contender, like the Spurs. If that definitely proves as a mistake by the FO (and I still have some hope) we're done for the season (we will be no match for the Lakers).

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    Ian is not that ing good. Jesus people go insane over ONE good game.
    Ian = POPS 2010

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    I don't get how people can mention RJ+Manu as the main problems when TP's play has been worse. Not to mention, his decline hurts the team more than Manu's and RJ's. I know TP has an "excuse", but his drastic drop in play for whatever reason is hurting this team just as badly as anyone else.
    There is some ring of truth to this. Personally, I thought TP and Blair played just as bad if not worse on defense yesterday than did anyone else on the team.

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    How do we know Ian isn't good when he NEVER ING PLAYS. And before any of you respond with, "well he never plays because obviously he isn't good" I will preempt you with, "2008/2009 George Hill called and thinks your reason is bull . Also, 2008/2009 Gregg Popovich called and doesn't remember a thing about the season he coached".

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    The Spurs should be panicking right now. I won't be convinced otherwise. They are in a lot of trouble.

    That said, I liked the distribution of minutes. An eight-man rotation featuring RMJ and not featuring Bogans, Finley or Bonner is a playoff-esque type rotation. This alignment allows the Spurs a lot of potential ... even though it'll be an uphill battle to get this rotation to defend well enough.

    The main reason why I still believe is that Pop seems to seeing the light of common sense when it comes to who should play and how many minutes players should be out on the court. Now if we can only stop Pop from playing midget ball when defensive stops are needed . . . .

    Damn, I thought you were going to tell us that Pop & RC had traded RJ & Dice for Kobe & Dirk.

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    Ian is not that ing good. Jesus people go insane over ONE good game.
    If he's not any good, then why play him against New Jersey? If he plays well once, why never play him again? You cannot possibly know if he's any good or not because he's not getting any minutes.

    If he's not any good, why are his numbers better with only three games played than McDyess or Bonner?

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    Oh really, are you saying TP has played well? Are you saying that his dip in stats is not worse than those two?

    TP 2010: 32 MPG, 17 PTS, 2.5 REB, 5.7 AST, .5 STLS, .2 BLKS, 2.7 TO's, 48%FG, 27%3PT, 77% FT.

    RJ: 31 MPG, 12.5 PTS, 3.6 REB, 2.1 AST, .6 STL, .4 BLK, 1.4 TO's, 46% FG, 36% 3PT, 70% FT

    Manu: 27 MPG, 12.8 PTS, 3.6 REB, 4.4 AST, 1.4 STL, .4 BLK, 1.9 TO's, 39% FG, 36% 3PT, 86% FT

    That is really not much better than anyone else. Especially if you watch the games. TP has been a non factor in many games and has cost the Spurs many games with his decisions. Not to mention he was a TO machine for a long stretch there. He was supposed to be the best of the big 3 going forward, but instead he has taken the largest step backwards.
    to say that he has the biggest drop (which is yet to prove) of the three doesn't mean the same thing as to say he's been the worst of the three like you did.

    Add 4.3 shots per game for Tony, to match his last season FGA/game, and you have a tony scoring + 20 ppg at almost 50 %.

    I won't argue that tony isn't at the same level as last year. but he's still clearly the 2nd best player on the team. when you look at those stat lines (oh and tony's FG % is 49) and you say that tony's one is not better than the 2 other ones :

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    tony is NOT the second best player on this team... open your eyes

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    tony is NOT the second best player on this team... open your eyes
    who, outside Tim, is better than tony right now on the spurs ? i'm just curious to see your answer.......

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