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Manu's birthdate may say he's 33, but lets be for real, his body is much older. I think Bowen was able to play for so long cause he didnt get beat up as much on the offensive end like Manu.
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The Spurs really need to be careful here. It's painfully obvious that they need to make a move, but they need to make the right move. Furthermore, since it now appears that the "window of championship contention", at least in the Duncan-era, is rapidly closing, the Spurs need to hedge themselves against a total fallout by preserving their young assets. As I stated earlier, under no cir stances should any trade include Blair, Hill, Hairston, or Ian.
As we've seen with the RJ trade, promising acquisitions are never guaranteed to improve the team. In fact, sometimes they fail miserably. I don't have a good feeling about a potential Amare trade. In fact, there is a strong possibility that such a move could set the team back even further, in a lot of ways. Amare simply doesn't fit the Spurs team or their system. THey need to look at more viable options.
While I applaud them for trying, at some point, the FO, and all of us, may have to simply face the harsh reality that this run could be over and that it's time to rebuild. If the Spurs trade away ALL or even SOME of their promising young players, they will have a bloated payroll, a bad team and no assets. At that point, the Spurs could become bottom-feeders for years.
Read better, I'm not comparing them.
I'm just saying that there are sometimes a huge gap between how Spurs' fans valuate a player and how the FO does. It's quite logical because a fan is sentimentally attached to a player who brought great moments in his fan life while the FO doesn't care about the past.
There was this gap last summer about Bowen. While Manu isn't at the same stage of his career than Bruce, it's possible that there is a gap about Manu too.
This may be worth a shot. Give them Gino and try with Amare even if he opts out this summer. Same stuff with, Gino who could leave this summer. Gino is being useless recently. Better to do something crazy than let watch this last longer.
What's this stupid beef with this forum and the local media? I never understood it.Don using timvp and SpursTalk yet again.
I agree that Bowen had a privileged body. I also think Manu will probably switch from being a full-on penetrator to more of a shooter and playmaker. While his shooting has been off this season so far, it's not something you lose with age. And we all know about his playmaking abilities. Again, as a seasoned vet next to peaking superstar, I think he's extremely valuable.
I don't like the trade idea. It seems to be similar to the Gooden deal where the offense gets better but the defense gets worse. I am not convinced that Amare is any smarter than Gooden and could pick up the system any better.
Add in the extra money and losing Manu, who is a winner, and it really starts to hurt.
Now throw the Spurs into a 3 way deal and look around, and it starts to make more sense. I would hate to lose Blair, though. He is already showing us that he will be a force to be reckoned with.
I don't see at all a team below the cap spending his cap space on Manu.
Teams work for years to create some cap space, I don't see one spending it on a 33 years old player.
Na.. You didn't read what I was saying, better..
I was not comparing Bowen and Manu as players..but their situations.
I am saying that the "gap" between the fans' expectations and the FO's expectations of Manu this year is far lower than that of Bowen last year. So, even if Manu is under-performing, he is bringing in so much that the FO will not give him away as it did Bowen.
What about this plus Splitter and draft picks or money.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yjsvafp
They'd probably waive Finley who we'd resign.
BTW, I agree with this Bruno. And eventually, I know Manu will have his number retired by the Spurs, but right now the Spurs are looking at a business decision.
I probably should have left it alone....don't want to hijack the thread.
Short answer...they have ripped off stuff from here and don't give the credit. I'm not saying that Kori or LJ want the credit though.
What long term contracts do the Spurs have? Hill and Blair are the only one's extending beyond Duncan's contract.
We'll see then...
It's a business, plain and simple. The sooner people realize this, the less stressful this will all become. We are seeing first hand what happens when we put loyalty above good business sense. The team is dysfunctional and a non-issue in terms of contending for a le, and all owed to the belief that an expensive, rusty piece would make all the difference.unbelievable. simply unf-ingbelievable.
this may be my first post, but only because i am now so disgusted that i can no longer stomach my own silence.
i have loved the spurs more than anything else in the world (just ask my girlfriend), for as long as i can remember, but now it seems that they are destroying everything they have stood for.
i sincerely believe that our success has come because of patience, hard work, discipline, LOYALTY, and the restraint to NOT act like the GD lakers and just buy up big names to try to win now. i understand that we owe timmy more than we can ever repay, but not at the expense of the kind of philosophy that he has supported , and to some extent been the inspiration for, all these wonderful years.
if manu felt (no pun intended) spurned by the fact that the front office wasn't willing to offer an extension when he was injured, it's only because he had every right to feel that way. who can blame him? he has laid his entire heart and soul into every game he's ever played for us, and been the fuel AND fire that got us through countless tough calls in crunch time. he, and i, thought that actually meant something to the organization and fans. our bad, i guess.
to read that we would even consider trading him for the likes of amare - oops, i mean amar'e - made my stomach turn. and now, for someone who claims to be a spurs fan to ask if we could "technically cut him"?!?!?!?
what has become of us...
No, the Spurs owed Manu nothing and were quite correct for taking his extension off the table. As a good business owner you do this when your horse runs off and gets himself injured playing for his national team. The Spurs were in no way obligated to reward Manu for his selfish behavior.
It's a business.....get over it.
No, Suns are looking for value. Amare's salary comes off the books this summer. Suns effectively have a "Bosh problem."
I think this is either a multi-team trade scenario, or a bilateral trade but one that has us sending over many of our young guys.
losing Manu, getting Amare. I just don't see the upgrade
I we somehow could keep Tony + Manu I am for this 110%
That would make a uva lot more sense.
Ship Jefferson out ASAP
anyone thats willing to take him
I don't know what would be stranger, Manu in a Suns jersey or Amare in a Spurs jersey.
Crazy.
But if I'm the Spurs, I do this deal. Manu's better days are far behind him. And it sounds like he's planning on being a free agent and checking out other teams anyways. He's 32 and has a ton of miles on his legs at this point. Maybe it's just time to part ways with him ... as difficult as that may be emotionally for fans.
Amare, while a knucklehead, is still one of the better big men in the league. Offensively, he's good for 20 on any given night, and is quite capable of making it 30. While not a terrific rebounder for his size, the 8 or 9 that he gets you are more than acceptable. He's carrying a 55% field goal average and is also a good FT shooter.
It might not be the ideal or perfect trade. But you can't argue that Timmy and Amare would be a of a tough tandem to stop. Amare might not bring half of the intangibles that Manu has brought over the years but he's a more dominant player and one that would create tougher matchups for opponents.
This would mean that at least one of RJ, RMJ, Bogans or Hill would need to step up. And Parker too. Maybe this will be a wake up call for him to get it together. His numbers are down across every major statistical category this year.
Clearly things aren't perfect with the Spurs right now. Maybe the old way of doing things isn't going to work anymore as players get older. And Amare might not make things any better, but what the , give it a shot. If it doesn't work out, he's gone after this year. If it does, maybe you get him to resign for a 3-5 year deal. If nothing else, at least the organization is looking into possibilities, not just sitting on their asses hoping for the best.
My biggest question, is why would the Suns do this deal. Splitter might never come the NBA, and draft pick they receive wouldn't be a lottery pick and Manu would be gone after this season. I'd honestly think they'd be able to get a better deal if they tried.
Alot of teams my be hesitant to even go after Amare since most want to wait and see if they have a chance for wade ,lebron,or bosh. This may help the spurs cause who is to say that Amare waives that final year worth 17 mil.
IMO RJ for Amare would benefit both teams
Now that makes more sense.
I don't know for you but, I, as a fan, and even if I think Manu has been quite bad this year, wouldn't trade Manu. I consider him as nearly untradable and that he should end his career in SA.
Wojnarowski is a damn serious source. He isn't in the Hoopsworld category, so this rumor could be legit. If Spurs are considering trading Manu for Stoudamire (who isn't that great), there is a huge gap between how I value Manu and how the FO values it.
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