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Wallace blows.
CMIIW, but hasn't he looked pretty bad this season?
Wallace blows.
Sarcasm, peeps.
Manu in a trade for Amare Stodamire and its actually anything but a no brainier? I know people harp on Stodamire's defense but look at the place he's played. He's never had a coach like Pop (don't you dare even bring up Porter) or a system like this to work with. The Spurs would immediately become the best shot blocking team in the league.
Manu is no where close to Franchise level. He's not even that close to All Star level anymore and he sure as doesn't posses a lot of upside. He's a fan favorite with a lot of heart but as much as I loved what he did in 2005 he's not the same player. If he was the Spurs wouldn't have lost five out of six at the moment.
I do this trade and I count my blessings if the Suns are stupid enough to accept it. I can't see this as anything but a trade deadline deal, however. No way the Suns do this before they absolutely have to.
Exactly. People are thinking too much with their hearts and not their brain.
If we can get him for RJ then do it. But if it takes Manu, do it too.
LOL at people still thinking Spurs will get Amare for Manu. Unless the Suns would be doing other trades as well, Lakers trading Kobe for Manu makes more sense than this.
I'd rather take a hobbled G-Nob into the p/o's than an athletic 4 who can't stop justin farmer. "Look at the place he's played" is a weak argument. You are what you are. There is nothing Pop is gonna teach that he hasn't be tailored for up to this point. Pop would be a fool to try to change anything and expect to be successful with him.
anyone but Tim and Tony for CHRIS BOSH!!
two aspects.Two different NBA sources told me Tuesday the Spurs have come up in the Amar'e Stoudemire sweepstakes. Not that the Spurs would get Amar'e, but that they may be part of a multi-team deal to make it possible for Phoenix to move him.
The Nets, Bulls, Heat and Pistons are said to be the front-runners for Stoudamire. The Spurs may be burning up the lines trying to find something that's going to work.
first: while you always have to listen or talk, if there is a chance to get a perennial All-Star for a 50cents on the dollar price, Amare doesn't seem like a good fit alongside Tim. he didn't work well alongside Shaq, and while people might point out that Tim isn't Shaq, there are still a lot of similarities what type of player is a good fit alongside both. (see Horry)
(this doesn't mean Amare isn't good enough. he has his flaws, but overall the guy is fantastic at some things. people shouldn't just see his scoring numbers, they should also look at his scoring efficiency. you don't find many players in the NBA history, who constantly delivered 1.50+ PPS seasons.)
from the mentioned team, Amare would also make some sense with the Bulls, but not as much as with the Heat.
so I can see why the Heat try to get him. if this works well, either Wade and Amare might be willing to sign long term extensions, I'm pretty sure Amare has Miami as one of his preferred destinations for summer 2010 anyhow. if it doesn't work, he will leave and the situation won't be much different for the Heat than it would have been without the trade.
what's the problem? if the Suns do such a trade, their priority will be to get under the threshold. therefore they need to dump about 5 million $. if they trade straight with Heat, this will be very difficult, because they will also only take back expirings. (it's not impossible though, but a 3 team deal is smarter in that case, also because of roster spot concerns)
why the Spurs?
they have multiple smaller expiring contracts, that would allow a scenario that helps either the Suns to immediately get under the threshold, as well as free the Heat from taking back log term contracts:
look at this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ygsxbqf
why for the Heat: they get Amare, they clear additional cap space for 2010 and they get back a lot of talent for Beasley.
why for the Suns: they get a lot of talent back for Amare in Beasley (troubled, but Amare wasn't without baggage either), at much lower costs and (most important maybe) they dump 6 million in salary, which saves them: 3 million salary for the reminder of the season, 5 million in taxes AND get the the pay back from the league (will be pretty high this season, maybe 4 million).
overall financial impact for the Suns: about 12 million
(not even considering that Beasley has two more years on his rookie contract, what makes him a cheap solution for a starting PF)
why for the Spurs: they get 3 players, all have been on the Spurs radar at some point.
Haslem fills a huge need (front court defense, toughness, work horse at ude), even if he doesn't bring much size, he should still be a very good complimentary player for Tim. (see how well he did alongside Shaq 2006). and he has championship experience. he IS the player the Spurs hoped Dice will be. huge upgrade over Bonner anyhow.
Cook was a Spurs favorite 2007, he has a disaster year and is in a deep shooting slump, but Spurs might be willing to gamble on this. he is only 22 and Chip might be the cure he needs. (gives them also security for the case Manu leaves)
JJones. brings some perimeter defense, 3pt shooting and size (at SF).
overall the financial risk isn't that big for the Spurs, Haslem expires, Cook makes 2 million next season and JJone isn't fully guaranteed the next 2 years.
the upside is a big turn around.
Suns will not trade Amere to the Spurs but I'm happy to know the FO is looking for a trade
If in fact this rumor is true, I would hope the Spurs try to get Phx to include Grant Hill in the deal. He could be our replacement for Manu this year.
Amare + Grant Hill for Manu, Bonner, Mahinmi, Bogans, Splitter's rights, and picks works under the cap.
By the way, if this deal were to go down, there's no way Manu would suit up even a game for the Suns. I live in Phx, and the outcry would be at a record level if Manu ever played a game with the Suns. A buyout is more likely.
Would Manu pull a Bones Barry and come back? Or would he go to a team like the Cavs after his 30 days were up? My guess would be the latter.
Adding Haslem and Cook while hanging onto Manu/Hill/Blair/Splitter's rights? I don't see anything wrong with that.
Something important in a trade for Stoudamire is the luxury tax situation of Phoenix. Suns are $5M above the tax. If you can pull a trade that push them just below the luxury tax threshold, Suns will save $2M in salary + $5M in tax + $4M in luxury tax redistribution. That's $11M saved for this year.
You can imagine a trade like that:
Spurs:
out: Ginobili, Blair, Mahinmi, Ratliff, 2010 1st round pick, $500K
in: Stoudamire, Jarron Collins
Suns:
out: Stoudamire, Jarron Collins
in: Ginobili, Blair, 2010 first round pick
After the trade, Suns are about $500K below the tax.
Nets:
out: nothing
in: Mahinmi
Nets get a young player to try for the rest of the season.
Pistons:
out: nothing
in: Ratliff, $500K
The cash is enough to pay Ratliff salary and to give a little incentive for Pistons to do this trade.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yzyu2kp
sons, please bring in this idiot. that will just make it easier for me to score in garbage time
Blair. No.
The thought of Blair beasting in a Suns uni is mouth-vomit inducing.
lol chill! I meant the suns cutting him so he could come back to the spurs...even if it is far fetched. though it would allow for the suns to tank and try and get a decent lottery pick...fool!unbelievable. simply unf-ingbelievable.
this may be my first post, but only because i am now so disgusted that i can no longer stomach my own silence.
i have loved the spurs more than anything else in the world (just ask my girlfriend), for as long as i can remember, but now it seems that they are destroying everything they have stood for.
i sincerely believe that our success has come because of patience, hard work, discipline, LOYALTY, and the restraint to NOT act like the GD lakers and just buy up big names to try to win now. i understand that we owe timmy more than we can ever repay, but not at the expense of the kind of philosophy that he has supported , and to some extent been the inspiration for, all these wonderful years.
if manu felt (no pun intended) spurned by the fact that the front office wasn't willing to offer an extension when he was injured, it's only because he had every right to feel that way. who can blame him? he has laid his entire heart and soul into every game he's ever played for us, and been the fuel AND fire that got us through countless tough calls in crunch time. he, and i, thought that actually meant something to the organization and fans. our bad, i guess.
to read that we would even consider trading him for the likes of amare - oops, i mean amar'e - made my stomach turn. and now, for someone who claims to be a spurs fan to ask if we could "technically cut him"?!?!?!?
what has become of us...
While I often agree with you, mountainballer, I don't get at all your obsession with James Jones.
He has been really bad lately and his contract is damn ugly. I would like to see Spurs getting Haslem but if the price is to take James Jones contract, no.
If they're looking at a 3 way with the Bulls I'd suspect Brad Miller would be someone the Spurs would be interested in. Don't know his contract situation though.
No D, no thx
12.2 million expiring.
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