Wojnarowski: Spurs consider bidding for Stoudemire

[Bruno]

All this is mute if Rasheed wouldn't have gone to the dame C's.

I find the parallelism between Rasheed Wallace and Antoine Walker quite fascinating. They were both incredibly talented bigmen and have turned into fat player who jack up 3's.

I even wonder if Sheed signed with Cletics just to follow Toine footsteps.

[mountainballer]

While I often agree with you, mountainballer, I don't get at all your obsession with James Jones.

He has been really bad lately and his contract is damn ugly. I would like to see Spurs getting Haslem but if the price is to take James Jones contract, no.

obsession? well maybe.
I know he wasn't great and yes, he is overpayed.
I saw him as the door opener to my 3 teams scenario.
he wasn't good, also because he didn't play. (not totally his fault, Heat are pretty overloaded at SF with Q-Rich, D-Wright, Beasley also playing the 3).
maybe I'm totally wrong, but I still see the Portland 2007-08 JJones, when I thought he is exactly what the Spurs need. (playing his role smart and effective, hit the 3 at fantastic rate, especially the corner 3, playing really good defense from 2 to 4)
of course my dream is, that THIS JJones shows up in SA.

[slayermin]

If they are considering this, might as well go for broke.

Manu and TP for Amare and Nash

[lurker23]

Finally got through reading the thread. Was hoping for more articles with more details, but not surprised that this has gotten to 12 pages with only one rumor (albeit a legitimate rumor from a good writer).

I tend to agree with what seems to be the majority in this thread. If it's RJ + Splitter + first round pick, I do it in a heartbeat. If it includes Manu, it makes it much, much harder. Yes, Manu isn't the player he once was, and history says that he probably never will be. However, he's still a guy who can average 12-16 ppg, is probably one of the top 10 passers in the league, and plays with more heart than 95% of NBA players. On his last legs or not, guys like that don't come along every day, especially one who creates an atmosphere of mutual love and respect like he has with the city of San Antonio. I'm sorry, I know some of you will say that I'm thinking more with my heart than with my head, but to me, it's just not worth it.

[DaBears]

What I do wonder is how many posters would disappear from here when Manu is a Spur no longer. Church of Manu is strong indeed.

Im a lifer i dont care whom is in the jerseys as long as SA has a team i will continue to support them...

[Flux451]

RJ + fillers for STAD, call up Hairston

[duncan228]

Amare a Spur? Not so fast
By Mike Monroe

While Spurs president of basketball operations Gregg Popovich acknowledges that every NBA team discusses nearly every potentially tradeable player, this is what we know to be true this morning: There has been zero conversation between the Spurs and the Suns about any trade that would bring All-Star center Amare Stoudemire to San Antonio.

A report on the Yahoo! Sports Web site that the Spurs front office had "researched and debated pursuing Stoudemire to play alongside Tim Duncan" created an Internet buzz, but the two teams have not had even a preliminary talk about a deal.

NBA sources say Stoudemire's agent, Happy Walters, has been doing his best to create leverage for his client. Meanwhile, the Suns welcome every rumored new suitor for an All-Star who has a player option to become a free agent this summer.

Yahoo! Sports NBA columnist Adrian Wojnarowski speculated that the Spurs would have to offer Manu Ginobili, and his expiring $10.8 million contract, to the Suns as part of a package to get Stoudemire.

The NBA's trade deadline is Feb. 18. In a general conversation about possible moves, Popovich said the Spurs discuss and consider everything they believe might help the team improve.

"There are phone calls going back and forth every day between 30 teams," Popovich said. "Anybody who tells you differently is lying to you. That's your job: Put together the best team you possibly can. Nobody is going to just sit there and not make any calls about anything. That's going on constantly. The chances of something happening are pretty slim, but everybody is always trying to improve their team. That's just part of the business. Everybody. Thirty teams are doing that."

As always is the case, Spurs general manager R.C. Buford offered no comment.

[Bruno]

Spurs could also technically get Stoudamire without trading Manu or RJ.

It will take 7 players (Blair, Finley, Mahinmi, Mason, Bonner, Bogans and Ratliff) to match salaries. Aside of Blair it isn't sexy so Splitter and first round picks should be added. And of course a 7 for 1 trade will never happen so it would a multiple teams trade with minimum salary players coming back to SA

[lurker23]

Nothing to see here, typical CIA. Honestly, I believe Woj more than I believe Pop's public statements in matters like this.

[timvp]

The chances of something happening are pretty slim

The longer we suck, the higher the chances are of a trade

[Big P]

I'm pretty sure the Suns are not going to be trading Amare to the Spurs...its a nice thought as long as it was RJ & not Manu going to the Suns...nice to see the FO is being proactive on the trade front.

[Chomag]

HAHA exactly what I was thinking when Pop said "chances of something happening are slim" IF he said the "this is what we are going with" speech it would be very different.

[timvp]

Something important in a trade for Stoudamire is the luxury tax situation of Phoenix. Suns are $5M above the tax. If you can pull a trade that push them just below the luxury tax threshold, Suns will save $2M in salary + $5M in tax + $4M in luxury tax redistribution. That's $11M saved for this year.

You can imagine a trade like that:

Spurs:
out: Ginobili, Blair, Mahinmi, Ratliff, 2010 1st round pick, $500K
in: Stoudamire, Jarron Collins

Suns:
out: Stoudamire, Jarron Collins
in: Ginobili, Blair, 2010 first round pick
After the trade, Suns are about $500K below the tax.

Nets:
out: nothing
in: Mahinmi
Nets get a young player to try for the rest of the season.

Pistons:
out: nothing
in: Ratliff, $500K
The cash is enough to pay Ratliff salary and to give a little incentive for Pistons to do this trade.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yzyu2kp

Great post

I would be against Manu, Blair and a first round pick for Amare, especially since I think Amare would be a half season rental. I'd consider the Amare situation like the Drew Gooden situation on steroids. I really doubt the Spurs would give Amare a long-term deal. The only way they would is if they believe that Parker/RJ/Amare is a championship level core after TD retires and I don't think they do. Plus, it'd probably take a whole lot of money to even get to that point to find out.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'm firmly convinced that this year's version of the Spurs FO is going to try to make a deal in the coming weeks. Standing pat does not define this season's philosophy, so in light of that I hope they continue to pursue assembling the best team possible.

However, I'd be shocked if the brass in PHX do anything that they remotely think would help us. The Spurs are like Darth Vadar to their Rebel forces. You don't hand Darth one of your most powerful light sabers, even if it's too expensive for you to make the payments on.

Common sense tells me this trade would never happen unless it's part of a three-way/four-way/5-way trade with other teams where Amare doesn't set foot on our soil.

[Blackjack]

Thinking Clearer About Amare
by Andrew A. McNeil



We’ve all had time to digest the rumor of the Spurs trading for Amare Stoudemire. And I’d like to think that after mulling it over, we’d have to agree it’s highly unlikely.

More likely, as commenter krista tipped us to, is the Spurs acting as a third team in an Amare Stoudemire deal, where they would not receive Stoudemire but act as a facilitator in the deal. WOAI’s Don Harris has something:

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Now that sounds a little more like the Spurs..

[EricB]

Mahinmi and bonner for tyrus Thomas? Sure. Although I haven't heard good things about Thomas...

[cd98]

Manu had surgery and tends to miss the last half of the season with injuries.



Who's to say Amare won't be a better defender with the Spurs and along side Duncan?



Couldn't you say the same for Manu along side Duncan and Parker? We're really not contenders with Manu now and if we're not contenders with Amare then we lose nothing but we have a lot to gain with Amare if it works out.

Yes Manu is habitually injured and he is clearly not the same player, although he is still a very good player and an asset to any team.

The difference is that Manu already knows the system. The Spurs have spent half the season trying to figure out how to make all the new faces work and they still haven't figured it out. Bringing in Amare, who has more than just injuries (locker room issues with teammates for example) is not what we need when we are in win now.

This team needs a few defensive stoppers. Defensive stoppers come cheaper than offensive talents. We should be able to address those needs without giving up our core scorers, which are good enough to win a championship.

Offense is not the problem. Defense is. Amare helps with offense (which we don't need). He will not make this team better, only different. And different is not what we need at this point in the season.

[cd98]

I just cant imagine Manu aside with steve Nash, i dont know feels like manu gonna prove us wrong and become an AllStar next year.

That would be the best passing backcourt in the NBA and a complete joy to watch.

[Pero]

However, I'd be shocked if the brass in PHX do anything that they remotely think would help us. The Spurs are like Darth Vadar to their Rebel forces. You don't hand Darth one of your most powerful light sabers, even if it's too expensive for you to make the payments on.

So basically you're saying the Suns will win in the end?

[EricB]

Amare as a weak side defender could work. In 2008 with shaq next to him amare's D was pretty damn good and he supported on the weakside very well.

[DesignatedT]

people need to realize that manu is seriously thinking about signing elsewhere after this season. The spurs would not even think about getting rid of him unless they had serious doubts that if they were to offer a deal he would reject. In recent statements Manu doesnt seem like he even wants to be here after this season.

If he ends up being a F.A and walking, he then s the spurs royaly.. because with us still being over the cap, we can do nothing with that money we had with manu. what will manu fans say then?

I love manu but if he is seriously thinking about pulling something like that, we might as well LOOK at what we can get for him.

[DesignatedT]

tyrus thomas would be nice.

[cd98]

"One scenario of the Spurs acting as the third team in an Amare trade would see the Spurs receive Tyrus Thomas of the Chicago Bulls and send Matt Bonner and Ian Mahinmi to the Suns. Phoenix would send Stoudemire to Chicago."

THIS I LIKE.

[cd98]

"As you can tell from the comments on the previous post about the Stoudemire rumor, a lot of Spurs fans do not hold affectionate feelings for the Suns power forward.
But how do you think the Suns fans feel about Manu Ginobili?"

Suns fans would love Ginoboli. Manu in that system would be a joy to watch.

[EricB]

Manu wouldn't last in that system. Although the doctors in Phoenix I'm convinced are using black magic healing powers with guys like grant hill...