Honestly, i'd do this trade right now if it involved RJ + splitter or blair or bonner..
Lets face it, this team sucks right now.. RJ has simply not fit in and this is just not working out! Small ball and midget ball aren't working out either!
Having a guy like Amare, means he'll play 35mins a game at the PF spot.. I don't care what you say about his defense, it's SURELY better than having RJ or Blair guard the 4 spot.. As neither are big enough, or good enough defensively to stop anyone.. At least Amare has some size, power and hops.. He can block some shots too.. He and Manu would be amazing at the pick and roll.. in the playoffs we could play a lineup of
Parker, Hill, Manu, Amare, Duncan
These will be the guys getting the 30+ minutes.. Manu, Bogans and Mason will fill in at the 2 and 3 even if its a smaller lineup than usual.. i don't see why Hairston can't get some spot minutes either.. Hill will fill in for Parker at the 1.. at center and pf, you've got amare and duncan, and the rest of the minutes go to whoever isn't traded whether thats blair, ratliff, or bonner..
I like this trade cuz I know Amare is not a pussy like RJ, and will get his shots and score when needed.. he'll take a load off of Duncan, and it means no more pussy ball or small ball.. If Pop wants to go big to matchup with long SFs like Lamar Odom, he can even play amare or bonner at the SF position..
right now, the way things are going, I don't see how this deal makes us worse.. it's not like were going to resign RJ in a years time, he stinks, so might as well roll the dice and see if this team can function with Amare.. if it works out, maybe he'd be interested in staying who knows.. if not, I don't see how we've lost much cuz this team simply stinks right now..
He is talking about if we trade Manu, could the Suns cut him and let him return to the Spurs. It is not what you were thinking.to read that we would even consider trading him for the likes of amare - oops, i mean amar'e - made my stomach turn. and now, for someone who claims to be a spurs fan to ask if we could "technically cut him"?!?!?!?
what has become of us...
I don't think the Phoenix Suns would not want R. Jefferson since his contract doesn't expire next season "they' re supposedly on the cost cutting mode right now" and they already have a similar play in R. Jefferson in J. Richardson.
I think a lot of fans on here need to look at this team closely and not be biased, M. Ginobili at his best was ALMOST at the caliber of A. Stoudemire, but now M. Ginobili is no where close to the caliber of A. Stoudemire. This guy is one of the better big man in the league and offensively he is one of the best "if not the best". We are basically trading a 32 years old SG for a 27 years old PF/C; and people are saying NO?!?!?
lets say: M. Ginobili, M. Bonner, either T. Splitter or 2010 first round pick for A. Stoudemire
our team would be:
T. Parker / G. Hill
G. Hill / R. Mason
R. Jefferson / K. Bogans
T. Duncan / A. McDyess
A. Stoudemire / D. Blair
it will be a pretty complete team, hoping that R. Jefferson would eventually turn it around.
.. tough choice. I doubt they would take RJ but if they did I'm sure anyone would do this in a heartbeat.
stoudemire on the spurs would be scary though.
Spurs consider bidding for Stoudamire
This doesn't sound too bad to tell you the truth. But also, the passing on our team would be pretty bad without Manu. Who would get the ball to amare and duncan on a pick and roll? Manu does that so well and thats why most people would love to see them play together as they see RJ as a failed experiment.
Only if Pop promises to install seatbelts on the bench... or maybe a childseat.
A combo of Nash/Ginobili would be interesting to see.
ahh... my mistake. i feel slightly better, thank you for the clarification. but still...
if you want to talk about trading other component players (i.e., RJ, bonner, splitter, whatever) for amar'e, fine, but to mention manu's name in such talks is unacceptable.
and whoever posted that manu at his best was "close" to the caliber of stoudemire, that is simply factually incorrect. manu plays a complete game and contributes in every way, on both ends, while scoring more points per minute than amar'e. and scoring is the ONLY thing that amar'e brings to the table, his defense has always been atrocious, and apparently he doesn't care to address that...
lol this is not gonna happen guys.. snap out of it..
I'd do it. Honestly, as much as I love Manu, and he's done some GREAT things for this team, I'd trade away the uncertainty of his future and health for a younger, super athletic Stoudemire. He may be a bonehead, but I think playing under the Spurs coaching staff could help him tremendously. He could be an absolutely sick weakside/help defender in the post, and if he gave a , he could be a pretty good man defender down low, too. He is great on pick and rolls, which the Spurs run ALL the time. Sure, a lot of you guys want to get rid of RJ, but he came here to be the 4th option on offense, and that's pretty much what he's been. Sure, his defense isn't great, but he's shown he's capable of defending.
The Spurs keep talking about bringing back the defense they once were capable of playing, but it's clear the Spurs are turning into more of an offensive team now, and Stoudemire would fit that. He's been wanting to get traded to a contender, and I think he would be happy to come to SA. Now, do I love him as a basketball player? Not really, his bball IQ isn't very high, but I think his talents overcome that. I could just be going insane because I'm awake at 4:30 AM, but I wouldn't mind this trade if it was Manu+Splitter/Bonner+pick for Stoudemire.
EDIT: Also remember, Wojnarowski has been known to be pretty accurate in his reports, but remember he was also the one that reported Maggette to SA, and that didn't happen. Look at the le: Spurs consider bidding for Stoudemire. It doesn't mean they've actually talked to Kerr about making this deal.
No one in his right mind can think Jefferson is any kind of possibility. The trade would have to be something like Ginobili+Bonner+Blair for Stoudemire. Not to worry about RJ becoming the main swingman timvp: that spot will go straight to Finley.
If the Spurs are really considering Amare, that should tell everyone exactly what they think about Manu's body being able to hold up. It's a good hint that they're not looking to bring him back next summer if true.
That's what I was thinking, although it's a very long shot.
I really want to keep Hill and Grizzly because they are the future of the team. And if we traded away Manu and Hill, the backcourt looks very thin, and it doesn't solve the problem that RJ and Dice have become.
that . Amare has a sub 80 IQ. No one that god damned stupid should wear the spurs colors.
Both of them will rack up assists and the Suns would score a lot with Ginobili in the team
I don't want to see Manu in Phoenix. They already hate him for sinking their le hopes twice. I can't imagine how pissed they'd be when they find out that wasn't the Manu they traded for. It would be kind of like Sean in Detroit, where it wasn't his fault he wasn't the same player.
I'm really not sure about this, Tony just isn't a creative passer. Amare near the post with Duncan is going to clog the paint, no room to work with. You would have to move Tim away from the post to make it effective otherwise all you're getting is an expensive player looking at the action (ala RJ).
Anyone thinking they'll take RJ is kidding themselves...it would definitely involve manu. I would consider it if it was manu/bonner/pick or something like that but I would hate to give away manu PLUS a ghill or blair. Also, I'm having nightmares already thinking about the perimeter of rj,hill/mason, and parker when no one wants to do anything and just like old times everyone stands around with their thumbs up their asses. The RJ situation with his contract is such a bust so far, especially considering how excited and the high hopes all spurs fans had. Maybe he turns it around, he needs to change his mentality though-he needs to attack. IF he could turn into more of a slasher trading manu wouldn't be all that bad considering everything. Amare/TD/blair/dice is a good frontline. Hill and RJ would have to step up big time though to make up for all of manus intangibles and slashing.
All in all though i highly doubt this happens, but like others have said it's good the FO is as concerned about the team as all of us and looking at options. Sad it has come to this, instead of the spurs being around 32-10 or so, right with the lakers-where i thought they'd be especially with the easy schedule so far.
I'd rather miss the playoffs and keep Manu.
Really Sun Tzu? You cannot be serious, he is one of the least intelligent basketball players in the league. But I'd trade Jefferson for a lonely sock.
Could we include cash to allow Phoenix to buy out Manu and have him return?
no extension + getting traded = not coming back
i have to agree with you...Jefferson+dice+ian for stoudemire+sf/sg?
Reasons it may work:
1.jefferson would fit in suns up tempo style
2.Dice (veteran presence w/ hill)
3.Time for ian to play major minutes
thats just my two cents.What do u think?
I really think this is not a good idea at all. Amare numbers are inflated by the suns system and by nash, I don't know how his 20 10 numbers would be translated in the spurs system.
And most important why the spurs would do that when their main problem is the Defense ? With a Manu / Amare trade we are not even sure to improve the Offense and surely we are going to downgrade our already weak defense.
It makes no sense.
Other scenario would be a package of Hill / Splitter (at best, blair at worst) + filler + ?. I'm really not a big fan of the idea.
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