Some thoughts on Tony Parker

[FromWayDowntown]

You mean the 13th best Spur ever behind Duncan, Gervin, Robinson, Ginobili, Sean E., Dennis Rodman, Moses Malone, Dale Ellis, Rod Strickland, Avery Johnson, Sleepy FLoyd and Lloyd Daniels.

How is Speedy Claxton not on that list??

[DAF86]

Manu guarded Fish in 04 and stupidly fouled Dirk (and the TO vs Kevin Martin in the Sacramento series that shouldn't have gone to 6 games that same season) at the end of the games in two of the most heart breaking Spurs losses all time... [/thread]

TP> Manu as a Spur is simple math...

as a basketball player? CROFL

Are you really going to blame that on Manu?

You also seem to forget that without Manu in '05 the Spurs wouldn't have won it all (neither without Tim obviously but everybody else was "replaceable" to different digrees) and without 2005 there's no 2006 or 2007.

[Pauleta14]

Are you really going to blame that on Manu?

You also seem to forget that without Manu in '05 the Spurs wouldn't have won it all (neither without Tim obviously but everybody else was "replaceable" to different digrees) and without 2005 there's no 2006 or 2007.

Is it really how you see things??
Don't you have any memory or what?

So Parker, Horry and Bowen were "replaceable"?

Come on..

[Bruno]

Tony doesn't seem to be doing much better playing those kind of minutes this year. Besides you can play less than that and still start. And last but not least, Manu's lack of stamina has been largely overrated by ST over the years. Manu can easily play 35 min per game, maybe not at the frenetic rythm he usually does but he can still play those minutes and be very effective.

Well, it's not ST that has decided that Manu lacks stamina to play 35mpg, it's Pop.

I'm just saying that the reason why Manu comes from the bench is that he doesn't play 35mpg. If Manu played that much minutes, he would start.

Now, there would have nothing wrong with Pop deciding that Tony need to play less than 30mpg this year. In that scenario, bringing him from the bench would be an option. Saying that, Pop hasn't decided to cut that much Parker's minutes.

[lefty]

How is Speedy Claxton not on that list??

Goddammit !!!!!

[Brazil]

Yes.

A poll ! a poll ! a poll !

Spurs are bad but at least ST is having fun with an old fashioned Manu vs. TP discussion

[DAF86]

A poll ! a poll ! a poll !

Spurs are bad but at least ST is having fun with an old fashioned Manu vs. TP discussion

The good old times.

P/S: I think I should clarify: I'm not talking about right now, just in general. Right now Tony > Manu.

[lefty]

A poll ! a poll ! a poll !

Spurs are bad but at least ST is having fun with an old fashioned Manu vs. TP discussion

I'm tired of TP vs Manu discussion


Let's talk about Bonner vs Finley

[Brazil]

The good old times.

P/S: I think I should clarify: I'm not talking about right now, just in general. Right now Tony > Manu.

I'm sure 75% of ST fans agree with you

[DAF86]

Is it really how you see things??
Don't you have any memory or what?

So Parker, Horry and Bowen were "replaceable"?

Come on..

That year players importance IMO:

1) Tim
2) Manu (pretty close second)
3) Bowen
4) Horry
5) Parker

And by replaceable I mean that there were several players on the league that year that you could have put instead of them and the Spurs would have still won the championship, while there weren't many you could have put instead of Tim and Manu. Instead of Duncan... well nobody and instead of Manu you have Kobe and not much more.

[ElNono]

How is Speedy Claxton not on that list??

Because George Hill already surpassed him...

[Bukefal]

Yes.

You can't be serious. I know you are from Argentina and you love the guy, but you got to be a bit realistic here.


Anyway, yeah this parker vs. manu thing is really getting tired. It's pointless. I just think the hate on TP and blindness as bruno said, is indeed pretty crazy.

[Brazil]

Because George Hill already surpassed him...

I already fixed that on Lefty list

[DAF86]

You can't be serious. I know you are from Argentina and you love the guy, but you got to be a bit realistic here.


Anyway, yeah this parker vs. manu thing is really getting tired. It's pointless. I just think the hate on TP and blindness as bruno said, is indeed pretty crazy.

How long have you been on this board?

[Brazil]

How long have you been on this board?

my is bigger than yours

[Bukefal]

How long have you been on this board?

Has that anything to do with Parker > Manu or vice versa?

[DAF86]

my is bigger than yours

No, it wasn't meant that way, I hate that kind of talk. What I was trying to know is if he has been long enough on this site to know how much ass kissing Manu gets on this board.

[DAF86]

Has that anything to do with Parker > Manu or vice versa?

If you have been long enough you would know that Manu would probably beat Tony on every poll that is started on this board no matter if it's true or not.

[Pauleta14]

That year players importance IMO:

1) Tim
2) Manu (pretty close second)
3) Bowen
4) Horry
5) Parker

And by replaceable I mean that there were several players on the league that year that you could have put instead of them and the Spurs would have still won the championship, while there weren't many you could have put instead of Tim and Manu. Instead of Duncan... well nobody and instead of Manu you have Kobe and not much more.

The fact that Manu and Timmy were our MVPs thst year is a no brainer!
But you are underrating the job the rest of the team did by saying that...
The importance of chemistry, knowing the systems, puting egos asside for the benefit of the team, etc...

We have a perfect example this year, with RJ and Dyess, that even if you add great players, they need time to know how to be useful to the team...

What Tony, Bruce and big shot Rob did bring was priceless and we wouldn't have won that year without them...

[Brazil]

No, it wasn't meant that way, I hate that kind of talk. What I was trying to know is if he has been long enough on this site to know how much ass kissing Manu gets on this board.

my bad, I thought it was a: "listen kid I'm gonna explain you the life"

[Bukefal]

If you have been long enough you would know that Manu would probably beat Tony on every poll that is started on this board no matter if it's true or not.

I know and that's just the sad thing. In ass kissing as you said, in love for Manu and hate for TP yes, then Manu would beat him on polls.

Manu is loved and TP is mostly hated. But as a player, and not as a popularity contest or love for a player, it is; TP > Manu. I am not talking about fan love, Im talking about the players. I didnt know you were saying Manu > TP referring to popularity. That's why I said; You got to be realistic.

[ElNono]

Can you imagine this thread 5 years from now?

portnoy1: Tony doesn't deserve this 8th All Star game appearance. Remeber when he couldn't pass the ball to Jefferson? We shouldn't have let Hill walk last summer.

Bruno: I stopped talking to Tony haters 5 years ago...

DAF86: I know Manu is 39, but it's Pop that's playing him 20 mpg, not me.

timvp: This thread has everything to turn into fireworks...

[Bukefal]

No, it wasn't meant that way, I hate that kind of talk. What I was trying to know is if he has been long enough on this site to know how much ass kissing Manu gets on this board.

Believe me, Ive seen it enough

[Pauleta14]

If you have been long enough you would know that Manu would probably beat Tony on every poll that is started on this board no matter if it's true or not.

Even the new ones on ST can't ignore that!!!

[DAF86]

I know and that's just the sad thing. In ass kissing as you said, in love for Manu and hate for TP yes, then Manu would beat him on polls.

Manu is loved and TP is mostly hated. But as a player, and not as a popularity contest or love for a player, it is; TP > Manu. I am not talking about fan love, Im talking about the players. I didnt know you were saying Manu > TP referring to popularity. That's why I said; You got to be realistic.

Don't get me wrong I was talking about popularity but I also think that Manu > Tony (not right now obviously). I honestly bealive that Manu at his peak is better than Tony at his and I'm sure most spurs/basketball fans will agree with that thought.