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If we make a smaller deal like that is there any reason why when then can't turn around and push an RJ trade HARD up until the deadline? Would you still look to move RJ if we make that Bell deal?
I may be crazy and biased but a part of me believes a move or two could put this team in contention for the cities 5th. Reason I say that is because I don't believe there is one unbeatable team in the league right now. I think every team has been inconsistent to a degree all year and have additions who have been disappointing ( Sheed, Daniels; Boston), ( Artest ;Lakers), (Carter,Bass; Magic), (Parker, Moon, Shaq; Cavs), (Jefferson; Spurs).
Spurs just need to improve their 8-9 man playoff rotation. Instead of using the musical chair method and giving players 7-12 all spot minutes like he's managing a CYO team. Having less players in the rotation makes the total 48 minute attack more effective in my opinion. Especially when all the players in your rotation can bring more than one thing to the table. That's something Spurs don't have. Players 8-15 are one trick pony's. They need to improve the quality in their depth at spots 8-9 spots most specifically... I've always said the longer the rotation, the longer it will take to make the chemistry and personnel click.( Especially with new personnel). And I stand by it.
A suggested rotation for the playoffs that I think could contend would be something like this:
Let's say Spurs pull off the Mason/Bonner for Turiaf/ Bell trade and Bell was 100 percent by the beginning of March...
Parker 33-38 minutes
Bell 25-28 minutes
Jefferson 30-33 minutes
Tim 35-40 minutes
McDyess 23-27 minutes
Hill 28-32 minutes
Manu 28-34 minutes
Blair 22-25 minutes
Turiaf 15-20 minutes
Ratliff DNP-Barring Injury/Foul Tr.
Bogans DNP Barring Inj/ FT
Finley DNP- Barring Inj/FT
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 02-05-2010 at 05:34 AM.
If we make a smaller deal like that is there any reason why when then can't turn around and push an RJ trade HARD up until the deadline? Would you still look to move RJ if we make that Bell deal?
Seriously, when was the last time a team struggled all season and miraculously won the le at the end ?
The 1994-95 Houston Rockets... maybe ?
And... ?
I can't see the 2009-10 Spurs win the le. There's something wrong with that team.
A little trade could help them for a round or two in the playoffs but no way for the le.
I am not even sure a Chris Bosh for Mason+Bonner+Finley... would be enough for the.
It's probably pretty pointless. The only way RJ can be moved is for a player with a long term contract that a team doesn't want to commit to any longer. They only two possibilities are Washington and Philly...and I don't see either of them being desperate enough to pay RJ 15 million next season just to get rid of thier players.
Interesting article:
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/spor...esh_start.html
Bolded part is ironic. Jefferson by contrast needs to be one of the stars of a team and Iggy fits the description perfectly to what the Spurs need.I've stated many times before that Iguodala is just not in the right role here. He is being asked to be the star of this team, when actually he would be better suited as a co-star, or even better, a third option on a team that has a couple of stars. Nothing against Iguodala, who continually puts up good numbers even if his on-court personality doesn't draw in fans, but get what you can for him and do it immediately. Dallas, Cleveland, Phoenix, whoever it is, get what you can and cut ties and, hopefully, take little salary back beyond this year.
This Sixers team needs to both come into money and not make the playoffs - maybe not be in playoff contention for a couple of years, to truly turn things around from what was stubborn mediocrity that has now turned into bad.
If it is true that the team would be looking a couple of years before being in contention...RJ's contract just might be perfect for the Sixer's to take on when at the end of 10-11 RJ would be off their books.
I really like the trade manu4tres submitted earlier:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yjlh3dv
My two pennies for prospective trades -
Target - Get Camby, a shot blocker/rebounder
Clippers will want a talent that will suit their team and someone who can replace the level of Camby's play for next season as well. I am not sure they will try penny-pinching, for if thats the case, Camby will continue to stay with the Clips as an expiring.
The best that the Spurs can offer the Clips without touching their core three must be Jefferson (provided they get someone to replace Jefferson). If I was Buford, I will try burning my phone lines with the T'wolves simultaneously to pry Ryan Gomes by offering an expiring in either Bonner or Mason. If that is clinched..then I can sell Jefferson to the Clips with an adequate replacement in Gomes.
To sweeten the deal with the Clips, I will offer Mahinmi as another shot blocker/young to play along with DeAndre Jordan and Kaman in a decent front court that will feature Griffin next year. If needed, will add a second round pick as well.
So here goes -
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yjx72by
Spurs - trade Jefferson + Mahinmi + second round pick for 2010
get Camby + Rasual Butler + Mardy Collins (all expirings and Butler to play as a decent 2/3)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yh8xpqs
Spurs - trade Matt Bonner (or Roger Mason)
get Ryan Gomes from T'wolves.
Applaud the effort, Clippers wouldn't even think about that trade.
Our best shot at Camby would be for expirings plus a 1st round pick or Splitter. Clippers would not want to trade an expiring contract for Jefferson's 15 million next year especially with this off-season having more attractive options via Free Agency.
T-Wolves trade is more realistic than the Camby trade, but I don't think the move would catapult the Spurs by any means.
Gomes at 3.9 mil this year is somewhat of a bargain for the production he is able to provide with the T'Wolves. I'm not sure if they would value cutting his valued salary. Also, they will be under the cap significantly already as it is and probably won't entice any big name marquee free agents this summer. If they really wanted to shed 2-4 million more to make their cap around 30 million opposed to 33-35 million, Ryan Hollins would be more available for a simple expiring contract for the fact that Gomes' production on the court is so much better.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 02-05-2010 at 09:05 AM.
I am not so sure if they would reject the trade. This report in Yahoo! says that Hughes, the new coach want the Clips to run and to get the team to be moulded under a kind of play that suits the skills of Baron Davis. Who better to play a running game than RJ for them? The only thing that they would baulk at is the price of RJ. ..and that takes me to your next point.
If the Clips want to get someone in free agency, they wouldn't just give away Camby as they seem to be looking to do. Plus, there is no guarantee that any good FA will choose the Clips over other viable teams, leaving the Clips to only be in a position to overpay some medium scale FA in the offseason - a scenario that its Uncle Scrooge owner Sterling would want to avoid.Our best shot at Camby would be for expirings plus a 1st round pick or Splitter. Clippers would not want to trade an expiring contract for Jefferson's 15 million next year especially with this off-season having more attractive options via Free Agency.
Besides, RJ is a good fit for them at 3, with Davis at 1, Gordon at 2, Griffin at 4 and Kaman at 5.
Question is would we have to give up Splitter to get Camby? We can possibly sweeten the deal further with Splitter as well!.
If this trade happens along with the Clips one, it eases the center burden for Duncan and gets an adequate replacement for the underperforming RJ; plus takes of $14 million off next year's salary tab, helping us resign Manu for a reasonable contract and get another FA as well.T-Wolves trade is more realistic, but I don't think the move would catapult the Spurs by any means.
All on paper though
Fixed...
Very fair point..
But if they want to extend Love next season (and keep Jefferson) and get a fourth good player to play along the core of AlJ, Love and Flynn.. they might think about taking Gomes' contract off. Just saying.
If only...I would love this trade sooo much. I know it would lock us into Iguodala's contract but I don't care. Can you imagine a playoff rotation of:
Tony Parker
George Hill
Andre Iguodala
Tim Duncan
Sam Dalembert
Dejuan Blair
Antonio Mcdyess
Manu Ginobili
Keith Bogans
I'd be willing to sacrifice the next 4 years to see this for one season. I mean, we'd be ridiculous.
Unfortunately, I doubt it will happen...but man would it be awesome. Got me all glossy-eyed.
Your right. They would instantly.
Clippers won't just give away Camby your right. The are most likely looking for a first round pick from a low-seeded playoff team and a prospect for the future on a cheap contract along with expirings. They are for sure not interested in bringing in overpaid players that have more year(s) left on their contract. Especially with the free agents available this summer.
Clippers have Al Thornton at a very cheap price as their small forward. He is already everything you described in a player that can play and " run" with Davis. Clippers would be foolish to use their cap space this summer for a player that isn't better than what they already have at small forward.
Spurs can only afford the MLE this summer, if they got rid of R.J's contract for an expiring and resigned Manu for what he is worth 7-9 million a year.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 02-05-2010 at 09:24 AM.
They won't have to worry about that til after 2012 for an extension for Love. Love is on his rookie scaled contract and will be through 2013.( Last two years being team options.)
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 02-05-2010 at 09:30 AM.
For those who thought the Wolves would give up Gomes because of his salary concerns, I believe his contract is partially guaranteed for the next two years.
Your right but T'wolves more than likely will make it guaranteed next year. His contract as of now has good value compared to his production on the court.
The only way they wouldn't make it guaranteed is if they were in financial trouble next year. Which won't be the case.
I think that if the Spurs traded any combination of Fin, Bonner, RJ, RMJ, Ian, Bogans for Kobe, Lebron, and Wade we would be right back in contention for the '10 le.
What do you guys think? I have been thinking about this for quite some time.
Can't see the trade...my work blocks the trade machine.
I still think Philly could probably do better over the summer or next season instead of paying 15 million for RJ next year.
I didn't think so. Kahn has stated before he would like to take part in the 2010 sweepstakes for the Wolves. I think he has the capspace. Gomes is just a tweener 3/4, so he might be off the team for the Wolves to sign a player who can score from the perimeter to team up with Al Jefferson, Kevin Love and Jonny Flynn. I think with Corey Brewer's development, Ryan Gomes might be actually be the odd man out. The same goes for Ramon Sessions due to Flynn and possibly Rubio in the near future.
This is why I actually lobbied for their services and not because of his salary concerns.
I don't know of any low-seeded playoff team other than the Spurs and the Rockets who are looking for a player like Camby. Maybe they are and I am not able to apply my mind to it.
Their Al Thornton experiment has mostly failed. He suffers from numerous shortcomings and they got Rasual Butler only for the purpose of keeping Thornton on his toes.Clippers have Al Thornton at a very cheap price as their small forward. He is already everything you described in a player that can play and " run" with Davis. Clippers would be foolish to use their cap space this summer for a player that isn't better than what they already have at small forward.
RJ is way better than AlT.
That is way better than our current conundrum with Manu and RJ's contract.Spurs can only afford the MLE this summer, if they got rid of R.J's contract for an expiring and resigned Manu for what he is worth 7-9 million a year.
Philly will be handcuffed to make any significant signings this summer. Unless they made the move for McGrady's expiring.
Trade is Dalembert/ Iggy for RJ/Ratliff/Bonner/ Mason/ Splitter and a 1st round pick.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 02-05-2010 at 09:52 AM.
If we replace Blair for Ratliff in that trade I bet we could get them to go for it. Get back to two towers on defense with good outside scoring. I'd make that trade it helps out both teams.
Manu4tres' trade idea
Last edited by Allanon; 02-05-2010 at 10:04 AM.
The Spurs want to make a trade. There just isn't anyone to fleece, RJ is stuck and is our burden while nobody wants fodder for anything good enough to make a difference this year. I say unless a team steps up to be fleeced we just stand pat, hopefully either get it together and go on a tear to contend or miss the playoffs and hope for a decent draft position.
I hatw to say it, and Timmy deserves better than this, but we're in rebuilding mode. We don't have a cornerstone superstar anymore.
Splitter and a 1st would be included as well.
I think if they have decided to trade Iggy, they'd use him as a bait for someone to take on Brand's contract, they have no incentive to simply salary dump Iggy, his trade value is much higher, and even if they do, they'll easily get better offers, such as McGrady + picks, Allen + Allen + picks, etc.
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