Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[Chieflion]

Chapu's contract isn't nearly as terrible as I thought it was; he's making less than half of what RJ makes next year and he's only guaranteed $6.65M the following. (TO his final year)

I'm with you on the intangibles, timvp, and I do think this is the type of move that could potentially ignite Manu. So I don't completely dismiss it

But in all honesty, I'm not sure how far his game has fallen off or what he has left. I just haven't paid that much attention to him this year. So I won't completely dismiss it and say it's a terrible idea, but I am skeptical.

I'd much rather see a Thomas-Salmons acquisition or the pipe dream that is Randolph-Maggette, but I'd be open to this if it's what's left to be had (RJ and his cancer has gots to go). . .

Anthony Randolph is apparently reported to be out for the rest of the season. I think he got his 1st year in the league hampered by injuries too. After next season, he needs to be signed to an extension, in case someone overpays for him which is another problem.

[timvp]

Holt supposedly is only willing to pay the lux tax this year and next year. Due to that, I don't think it's very likely the Spurs will trade RJ's contract for a similar contract that another team wants to salary dump. In a perfect world, yeah it makes sense. In a Holt world? I'd rather the Spurs play their cards now than hoping Holt will continue to want to pay more lux tax dollars down the line.

Plus after the abortion of this season, Holt may never sign off again. That should be one consideration when deciding whether to tank or play to win. Tanking would hurt the already fragile money streams. And, yeah, keeping RJ and doing nothing at the trade deadline at this point is basically tanking.


Again, if the Spurs want to blow this ship up, I'd understand. But to extend the window, they have to get creative. Praying Nocioni turns into a pale Mario Elie and opening up money to spend in the summer is better than status quo, IMO.

[Blackjack]

Anthony Randolph: $1,837,560 $1,965,720 (TO)$2,911,231 (PO)$4,049,523

[HarlemHeat37]

Either way, even if RJ can't bring a big return, I feel like we can do better than Nocioni..he's 30 years old and his contract has another few years on it..he's looked absolutely horrible in the games I've watched this year..

While I have also given up on Jefferson and I agree that Nocioni is tough and a good spot-up shooter, he just looks like he's almost done to me..

If we can't get a decent return on Jefferson, then it's probably time to rebuild IMO..

[objective]

Also, why would Sacramento want to take on the extra salary for next year?

The way I'm looking at their roster, after renouncing Hilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez + cap holds they could offer a free agent a lot of money, maybe starting at $10 a year depending on where the cap is and if my math isn't too revolting (but I'm making no promises on that).

I haven't heard about them being even a modest player in free agency but looking at their salaries I don't see why they wouldn't be.

[timvp]

The amount of $ will depend on what we expect Splitter and Manu to get, assuming they both want to be Spurs next year..what kind of contract offers do you guys think these 2 would get from the Spurs?..

Something around $8.2 million

Seriously though, if Manu continues at his current level, his next contract probably starts at $6-7 million. The Spurs will undoubtedly lowball Splitter by offering him a couple of million. I don't know how how the Spurs will go but I doubt they'd give him the full MLE.

Right now, I'd guess Manu = two years and $13-15 million .. Splitter = three years and $8-11 million.

[Blackjack]

Anthony Randolph is apparently reported to be out for the rest of the season. I think he got his 1st year in the league hampered by injuries too. After next season, he needs to be signed to an extension, in case someone overpays for him which is another problem.

Anthony Randolph:

'09-'10 - $1,837,560

'10-'11 - $1,965,720

'11-'12 - $2,911,231 (team option)

'12-'13 - $4,049,523 (player option)

Randolph is a long-term acquisition, the likes of which the Spurs would never have the opportunity of getting their hands on. He's a potential franchise-level player that has shades of Odom and Bosh; you don't shy away from talent like that, and especially when it's on a rookie contract...

[timvp]

Also, why would Sacramento want to take on the extra salary for next year?

The way I'm looking at their roster, after renouncing Hilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez + cap holds they could offer a free agent a lot of money, maybe starting at $10 a year depending on where the cap is and if my math isn't too revolting (but I'm making no promises on that).

I haven't heard about them being even a modest player in free agency but looking at their salaries I don't see why they wouldn't be.

Yeah, that's the main reason why the Kings wouldn't do it. The hope from the other angle is that the Kings would want to instead try to open up salary cap room in the summer of 2011. That would give them enough time to really get up the cap ... perhaps by salary dumping Martin, Garcia and/or Beno in addition to Nocioni. In theory, the Kings could be major players in the summer of 2011 if they make the right moves. Plus, they'd have a quality stable of players on rookie contracts.

[TJastal]

Another few? Try 3 years. The spurs would be stuck with Nocioni until 2013 and paying this guy close to 7m a year.

I'm with you on this Harlemheat37

There is still ample time for Jefferson to turn things around here and even if he continues to suck and causes the spurs another 1st round exit, at least the spurs will have a giftwrapped 15m expiring contract to use this summer to shop around.

[timvp]

Another few? Try 3 years. The spurs would be stuck with Nocioni until 2013

Two years. 2012.

[objective]

Yeah, that's the main reason why the Kings wouldn't do it. The hope from the other angle is that the Kings would want to instead try to open up salary cap room in the summer of 2011. That would give them enough time to really get up the cap ... perhaps by salary dumping Martin, Garcia and/or Beno in addition to Nocioni. In theory, the Kings could be major players in the summer of 2011 if they make the right moves. Plus, they'd have a quality stable of players on rookie contracts.

true, and I know that the Maloofs may not be too keen on spending a lot of money this summer.

But 2011 carries it's own risks, particularly a lower cap. Any money that could have been used in 2010 without RJ could turn into much less after RJ.

[jjktkk]

Chapu's contract isn't nearly as terrible as I thought it was; he's making less than half of what RJ makes next year and he's only guaranteed $6.65M the following. (TO his final year)

I'm with you on the intangibles, timvp, and I do think this is the type of move that could potentially ignite Manu. So I don't completely dismiss it

But in all honesty, I'm not sure how far his game has fallen off or what he has left. I just haven't paid that much attention to him this year. So I won't completely dismiss it and say it's a terrible idea, but I am skeptical.

I'd much rather see a Thomas-Salmons acquisition or the pipe dream that is Randolph-Maggette, but I'd be open to this if it's what's left to be had (RJ and his cancer has gots to go). . .

I like the Thomas-Salmons trade as well. Having those 2 would really improve the Spurs over-all defense while getting younger and more athletic as well. It would seem that The Spurs could realistically make this happen.

[timvp]

true, and I know that the Maloofs may not be too keen on spending a lot of money this summer.

But 2011 carries it's own risks, particularly a lower cap. Any money that could have been used in 2010 without RJ could turn into much less after RJ.

The Kings may want to wait until the next CBA to decide how to proceed.

Then again, Holt is likely telling the Spurs that exact thing ... and could be part of the reason why he signed off on a two-year free for all. In the CBA negotiations, Holt can now use the "I was forced to go into the luxury tax just to keep my team compe ive and I lost $30 million in doing so" card.

*removes tinfoil hat*

[Blackjack]

Another few? Try 3 years. The spurs would be stuck with Nocioni until 2013 and paying this guy close to 7m a year.

Nocioni (guaranteed money):

'09-'10 - $7,500,000

'10-'11 - $6,850,000

'11-12 - $6,650,000

Jefferson:

'09-'10 - $14,200,000

'10-11 - $15,200,000

You were saying . . .

[timvp]

Nocioni (guaranteed money):

'09-'10 - $7,500,000

'10-'11 - $6,850,000

'11-12 - $6,650,000

Jefferson:

'09-'10 - $14,200,000

'10-11 - $15,200,000

You were saying . . .

The Spurs could get 2 and a half years of Nocioni for what they'd pay RJ just next season . . .

[timvp]

Oh and Blackjack, I can't find where you asked me but yeah I'd sign off on just about any deal that brings in Ty Thomas and Randolph. That would immediately make the Spurs one of the most athletic teams in the league and give them possible rebuilding pieces.

[objective]

Another con for Sacramento : Would they want to risk RJ's softness affecting the young guys who actually play hard? They're already risking things with Beno. Adding RJ to the mix could be like feeding Superman a kryptonite puffy taco.

[objective]

The Spurs could get 2 and a half years of Nocioni for what they'd pay RJ just next season . . .

they can get 15 years of Malik Hairston for what they're paying RJ.

I'd rather have the 15.

Maybe Pop can beg Lute to move to SA to baby RJ . . . could be the only way to salvage anything.

[Blackjack]

The question for me, sadly, isn't Chapu or RJ, it's if Nocioni's the best way to go (I'm actually fond of objective's "buy RJ out and ride Malik Hairston to the promised land, or the lottery. . ." when faced with the prospect of more RJ)

I'm much more open to Nocioni now that I've actually looked at the numbers, though.

[HarlemHeat37]

So do you guys just not think that Jefferson's contract can get us anything next year, or do you think that Holt just wouldn't want to pay somebody RJ type money for some extra years?(especially with the cba situation)..

[timvp]

they can get 15 years of Malik Hairston for what they're paying RJ.

I'd rather have the 15.

Yeah but he's still about eight years away from beginning to gray . . .

Maybe Pop can beg Luke to move to SA to baby RJ . . . could be the only way to salvage anything.

Fixed.

[Blackjack]

Oh and Blackjack, I can't find where you asked me but yeah I'd sign off on just about any deal that brings in Ty Thomas and Randolph. That would immediately make the Spurs one of the most athletic teams in the league and give them possible rebuilding pieces.

Smart fella'.

Randolph needs the Spurs and their structure almost as much as they need his bridge to the future. . .

[objective]

So do you guys just not think that Jefferson's contract can get us anything next year, or do you think that Holt just wouldn't want to pay somebody RJ type money for some extra years?(especially with the cba situation)..

I don't think it's worth much, or rather, worth enough to count on it as an asset.

And just to repeat myself, Raef Lafrentz was a massive expiring, never moved. Speedy Claxton was a $6 mil expiring flat out cut by Golden State, they didn't even wait for the deadline.

The Spurs themselves have totals of a fair amount of expirings . . . and what do the reports read? That in order to get a disappointing problem-child a one-year rental by paying the qualifying offer they'd still have to give up a first round pick or the rights to someone considered one of the best centers in Europe.

I wouldn't count on him being too valuable as a trade chip. But that's just me.

[jjktkk]

So do you guys just not think that Jefferson's contract can get us anything next year, or do you think that Holt just wouldn't want to pay somebody RJ type money for some extra years?(especially with the cba situation)..

No, It definitely would be easier to move Jefferson's contract next year. The only way the Spurs could realistically move Jefferson this year IMO, would be to trade/exchange Jefferson for a player with as big of contract. Like, for example Jefferson for Maggette. Just an example, I don't know exactly how much Maggette is making this year, but something similar along those lines.

[HarlemHeat37]

I think I'd just rather stand pat and work with what we have, but only accept a trade if there's a potential future piece like Thomas involved..

This team should really start thinking about the future in some form..