Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[Blackjack]

In all honesty, when you really look how the books were set up, there's a definite game plan, and the history of this organization, under this leadership, doesn't lead you to believe there will be much deviation; the departure in fiscal conservatism was most likely that. A departure, not a new line of thinking.

So unless they're capitalizing on a Randolph-type acquisition, one that bears long-term fruit and can net a basketball and financial gain on the back end, it's hard to imagine them taking on any significant salary past '11.

Given the kind of comments and body language from Pop recently, this reality just might be the cause; it's highly likely they're stuck with RJ and a flawed team. . .

[mountainballer]

this thread started with a statement from a Kings FO member, right?
people asked: how does he know.
the simple answer was: if Kings were involved in trade talks, he does know.
he said: a forward and a back up PG.
Nocioni is a forward and Rodriguez is a back up PG.
so, even if it's still purs speculation, it's something that could have been. didn't materialize, for whatever reason, maybe the typical waiting for the last minute in hope for a better deal, could still be on the table.
Nocioni wouldn't save any of the Spurs troubles. (and I have been a fan for many years)
but getting rid of RJ meanwhile looks like an improvement by substraction.

[HarlemHeat37]

I understand that getting rid of Jefferson would save some money(I also agree that it could be addition by subtraction), but I just hate Nocioni's game right now, and adding another player that I dislike(Rodriguez) would make it even more unattractive for me..

Getting Nocioni would be a Spurs-like trade though, from a personnel standpoint..

[Blackjack]

Definitely Spurs-like ("lose the paperwork" when he's young, acquire him when he's old and busted).

[TJastal]

this thread started with a statement from a Kings FO member, right?
people asked: how does he know.
the simple answer was: if Kings were involved in trade talks, he does know.
he said: a forward and a back up PG.
Nocioni is a forward and Rodriguez is a back up PG.
so, even if it's still purs speculation, it's something that could have been. didn't materialize, for whatever reason, maybe the typical waiting for the last minute in hope for a better deal, could still be on the table.
Nocioni wouldn't save any of the Spurs troubles. (and I have been a fan for many years)
but getting rid of RJ meanwhile looks like an improvement by substraction.

That sounds plausible. I wonder though, who the spurs had in mind to trade? Can't be RJ makes far more than Noc+Rodriguez.

[TJastal]

Unless they consider Beno a "backup"..

[TJastal]

Beno+Noc for Jefferson does indeed work in the trade machine.

Could we be prepping for a return of BEAN-O?

[timvp]

Beno+Noc for Jefferson does indeed work in the trade machine.

Could we be prepping for a return of BEAN-O?

No.

[DAF86]

No.

No as in that trade won't happen or no as in I don't want that back, or both.

[timvp]

No as in that trade won't happen or no as in I don't want that back, or both.

Both ... and any other meaning that means Beno doesn't return.

[timvp]

BTW, thread le changed. Good idea

[timtonymanu]

this thread will be very useful on trade deadline day.

[Spursfanfromafar]

How about this trade:

Richard Jefferson and Mahinmi to the Kings for Nocioni and Kenny Thomas? RJ and Nocioni have bad contracts ... but the Kings may like RJ's shorter contract. The Kings are one of the few teams that could potentially really gain by taking a look at Mahinmi. They're playing some scrubs at center (see: Armstrong, Hilton) so he should get time.

The Spurs need a tough guy and emotional leader. Nocioni fits that perfectly. I think Nocioni kinda sucks but at least he'd be a much, much better fit.

If you are looking at something that bad.. why wouldn't you try poking the Dubs and pry Maggette and Raja Bell for Jefferson and Mahinmi?

[venitian navigator]

Nocioni and Rodriguez forr our expirings (Mason, Finley, Bonner) works...and makes sense for this season, considering Hill is playing more guard than play maker, and that Noce is a good hustling guy, that we desperately need...maybe for making him start instead of Jefferson, giving so to RJ a more appropriate role like a 6/7th man...

Looking in another perspective, if we decide to tank and make trades for rebuilding, manu could be a player woth a lot of attention from teamsd that are one step away from becoming contenders...and that could give us a lot of value for their missing piece.

For example, I'll give them Manu for their (NY) first round next year and any combination of players they already aren't going to play this year in play offs or sign next year (Brewer, Koufos and Korver + ch. for Manu and Ratliff works....)

[Bruno]

this thread started with a statement from a Kings FO member, right?
people asked: how does he know.
the simple answer was: if Kings were involved in trade talks, he does know.
he said: a forward and a back up PG.

If it was a trade with Kings, I doubt he would have said what he said.

Either he would have said nothing or would have said that both teams could be shorthanded because of trade talks.

[MaNu4Tres]

This trade scenario was brought up yesterday. What do you think?

That's a bit of a stretch. Somewhat realistic, but a stretch.

I moved around some things and came up with a little bit better proposal IMO. It kind of makes sense if Spurs throw a 1st round pick to the Bulls and throw Splitter to the Warriors.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ygjnxwu

Reasons why Warriors and Bulls would do the trade:

Giving them Splitter is the kind of incentive that makes a trade like this plausible.

GS is desperately trying to shed salary and if the Spurs could take Maggette's contract off their hands and give them a cheaper replacement that could allow them to shed Biedrins $9M(?) in a separate trade, that makes sense/cents.

Splitter's a solid player and would contribute right away, but he's pretty much reached his ceiling and doesn't bring the long-term potential of a guy like Randolph; there's always a give and take.

Not to mention Bulls would clear up some extra cap space, putting them at roughly 31 million in salary for next year. This would make them a bigger player in free agency this summer.

Also replacing Salmons for Mason/Bell and Thomas for Bonner isn't a significant fall-off in terms of production. That is if they valued getting players in return to help them compete in the playoffs this year.

So in all: Bulls shed Salmons off the books, get expirings in return that could actually contribute for the rest of the year, get to be big players in the best free agent market in the past 10 years, and get a 1st round pick on top of that.

[timvp]

Nocioni and Rodriguez forr our expirings (Mason, Finley, Bonner) works

I wouldn't do Nocioni for expirings. I'd rather that ~$13 million go elsewhere. The main reason why I like the RJ for Nocioni trade is that it makes financial sense for the Spurs. You swap a SF who should fit better and you gain more than $8 million in flexibility this summer.

[MaNu4Tres]

I wouldn't do Nocioni for expirings. I'd rather that ~$13 million go elsewhere. The main reason why I like the RJ for Nocioni trade is that it makes financial sense for the Spurs. You swap a SF who should fit better and you gain more than $8 million in flexibility this summer.

I don't think Kings value R.J and his 15 million next year to any degree because of the play of Casspi and the strides Donte Green has made this year. They are fine at the small forward position. (Hence the two getting more playing time than Nocioni this year.)

[Dro210]

I would personally hate to get Nocioni... it seems more depressing than just not doing anything at all.

and ManuTres... that trade you proposed, not that I think it has any chance, but that would be unreal. I'd be like a kid on Christmas if I woke up and heard that trade happened.

[Darkwaters]

I don't think it's worth much, or rather, worth enough to count on it as an asset.

And just to repeat myself, Raef Lafrentz was a massive expiring, never moved. Speedy Claxton was a $6 mil expiring flat out cut by Golden State, they didn't even wait for the deadline.

Not so much. He was actually involved in the Baron Davis trade from New Orleans. He wasn't cut at all. In fact, the Hornets wanted to keep him two seasons later but instead opted to sign Bobby Jackson instead for his 3 point shooting...didn't work out so well.

Then he went to Atlanta and his career died.

[MaNu4Tres]

I would personally hate to get Nocioni... it seems more depressing than just not doing anything at all.

and ManuTres... that trade you proposed, not that I think it has any chance, but that would be unreal. I'd be like a kid on Christmas if I woke up and heard that trade happened.

If Warriors are serious about shedding salary ( They would be saving roughly 18 million in the deal) and if Holt signed off on Maggette's 3 years 31 million dollars remaining, it is realistic for the reasons Blackjack and I stated IMO. You'd have to include a 1st and Splitter though if your the Spurs.

[Dro210]

If Warriors are serious about shedding salary and if Holt signed off on Maggette's 3 years 31 million dollars remaining, it is realistic for the reasons Blackjack and I stated. You'd have to include a 1st and Splitter though if your the Spurs.

Yea, I'm not denying it's a possibility.... but I'm not gonna get my hopes up or anything... it's more like a perfect scenario.

If Holt wouldn't sign off on that deal, after committing to go all in.... then he's already drunk himself re ed from watching RJ stink up the joint.

[spurspokesman]

I wouldn't do Nocioni for expirings. I'd rather that ~$13 million go elsewhere. The main reason why I like the RJ for Nocioni trade is that it makes financial sense for the Spurs. You swap a SF who should fit better and you gain more than $8 million in flexibility this summer.

On another note I think nocioni would kick up some dust in sa if given the minutes. The ones you say no to come in and make u eat crow. Weird but true. Can't be worse than rj. At the worse you salvage payroll.

[SpurNation]

The next 10 days are going to be like a kid waiting to open a X-mas gift.

Expectations running high to see what we get. Hopefully not disappointed when unwrapped.

I've probably seen more trade scenarios this year than any other. I'm now to the point of just get it done (or not) so we can just move on.

But thanks to everyone for posting some good ideas and even the dream deals that won't ever happen. Looking forward to reading more. I'm out of ideas.

[Rogue]

Unlike the condition Mavs are situated at, the Spurs used to win multiple championships rather than only one in the past years and they have maintained their pedestal on which their dynasty was based. Although some of the old sailors have left or retired like Bowen, Oberto, Robert Horry etc... their occupations mostly have been found successors with the only exception of a defensive specialist. That's why I've been advocating a trade for Shane Battier who's an established all-round defender and plays identical style of game Bowen did.