Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[ace3g]

I just tried Nocioni for Jefferson straight up in the ESPN NBA trade machine and it didn't work, the Kings would need to add another player to get closer to RJ's contract

[portnoy1]

A possible trade is to get Troy Murphy from the Pacers. He is 6-11 rebounds and shoots well (Including 3ptrs). Pop plays small ball because of what he misses with Robert Horry. Horry could spread the floor as well as make an impact on the defensive end. RJ/Finley/Bogans have the mobility to stay with a PF. But they cant defend them in the post. Bonner is a big who can shoot the 3, but is a terrible rebounder and has horrendous footspeed. Murphy will stop Pop from playing small ball. If you notice Pop will leave, Duncan/Blair/Ratliff/Dice at the Center with 4 perimeter players. He never leaves Bonner at the 5, by himself. Murphy can play defend the 4 spot (which duncan cant defend) and spread the floor for Duncan/Parker on offense. It would cost the spurs expirings but thats its, the Pacers want to clear space for 2010 FA's.

PG - Parker/Manu
SG - Bogans/Hill
SF - RJ/Hairston
PF - Murphy/Blair/Mahinmi
C - Duncan/Dice/Ratliff

Then maybe a pick up or included in trade a SF for filler on the roster.

[CGD]

Remember the days RJ was on the nets, he had that "enforcer" mentality too. We saw flashes of that earlier in the year as well, in a few games at least. Then something happened.....

I don't think RJ will ever be that enforcer-type player for us. We need roles players that will make the hard foul (Kurt), crowd shooter as he goes up for a shot (Bruce), and willingly take charges (Fab). Our addition of the summer --RJ, Dice, and Blair (for now anyway) -- have be too "nice."

The players I'm talking about make other teams focus more on what they are doing and the refs, instead of the bigger flow of the game. When the Spurs were clicking, the Suns were the prime victims of that, losing what I call the "game within the game."

[ElNono]

Nocioni has a lot of pride, but not a lot of game left. He was never a very smart player to begin with. He was singlehandedly the main guy taking ill-advised shots for Argentina (until Delfino came around). Now, if it would mean somebody taking on RJ's contract, then you have to think about it. I think Raja Bell would be about the same player/role as Noc, I just don't know how much it would cost to get him. They're both somewhat over the hill, but still bring some toughness/dirtyness to the team. I honestly think they would both help our team right now over what RJ is giving us.

[Blackjack]

Hey, Kori or timvp...

Would you mind changing the le of the thread to "Trade Speculation" or some such; I'd 'preciate being able to speculate on the speculatin' with my speculators, without having to hear how people can't stand us speculatin' on the speculation.

Peace, love and Baby Jebus...

BTW, thread le changed. Good idea

That Blackjack's a bit of a douchie son , but he has his moments . . .

[HarlemHeat37]

Well to be fair, almost anybody would give us more than Jefferson is giving us..

[HarlemHeat37]

What about this trade?..

Spurs acquire: Malik Hairston and Ian Mahinmi..
The bench acquires: Michael Finely and Keith Bogans..

[SpurNation]

What about this trade?..

Spurs acquire: Malik Hairston and Ian Mahinmi..
The bench acquires: Michael Finely and Keith Bogans..

[Baseline]

What about this trade?..

Spurs acquire: Malik Hairston and Ian Mahinmi..
The bench acquires: Michael Finely and Keith Bogans..

Love it.

Here's another one:

Spurs acquire: A coach who can reach his players
Civilian Population acquires: Gregg Popovich

[objective]

Not so much. He was actually involved in the Baron Davis trade from New Orleans. He wasn't cut at all. In fact, the Hornets wanted to keep him two seasons later but instead opted to sign Bobby Jackson instead for his 3 point shooting...didn't work out so well.

Then he went to Atlanta and his career died.

Yes so much, check the facts.

Check any Warriors board or blog, they're rioting over it. This all happened in the last 10 days, and there's double digit page threads going berzerk at letting go of what could be a trade commodity.

Claxton was from the Crawford trade with ATL this summer. Warriors fans are pissed because all they have to show for dumping Crawford is Anthony Tolliver.

[benefactor]

What about this trade?..

Spurs acquire: Malik Hairston and Ian Mahinmi..
The bench acquires: Michael Finely and Keith Bogans..

[scottspurs]

My only hope is that if a trade goes down that is gets posted in this thread.

[dbestpro]

My only hope is that if a trade goes down that is gets posted in this thread.

There is about as much chance of that happening as it is Pop saying no more small ball.

[scottspurs]

There is about as much chance of that happening as it is Pop saying no more small ball.

[quentin_compson]

I don't know about Nocioni. Whenever I saw him play for the Kings this season, he was pretty bad in my opinion.
On the other hand, he obviously never was happy ending up in Sacramento (and didn't hesitate to call out pretty much the whole organisation just after he got there), so maybe playing for a team that, ehm, has a pretty decent chance to make the playoffs would change his at ude.

[jesterbobman]

I think that any trade should be focused on a le. If a trade makes us better, but less able to compete for a le for the next few years with Duncan(due to removing flexibility) it may not be worth it. It's not worth improving from 1st round fodder to Semis fodder. That said, a talent upgrade is a good thing.

I think most here would agree that our needs are a True Centre(While TD really plays there, we need someone to give him help, and Blair, McDyess Bonner are not true Centres). To get someone in that mould, you normally have to take a guy with a bad contract(Dalembert, etc), A guy in the coaches Doghouse(To a degree, Biedrins), get lucky in the draft, or get someone who is surplus to requirements. If we're not gonna win a le this year, Tiago may be the best option for a 2011 le run, as we don't have to give up anything to get him. If we could deal expiring's and Tiago(or 2011 1st) to the Warriors for Biedrins and try to squeeze out Randolph or Brandan Wright I'd do that. Get the one currently in the Nellie doghouse and pry. My dream trade would be Jefferson, Bonner/Mason, 2011 First, Mahinmi and Cash(3Million, enough to buy another pick.) I don't think the Warriors should do this, but you never know with them, it's also a big money saver, and Jefferson has been effective in a fast paced system before, and they shorten their commitment by 3 years. We take on two 3rd banana type guys at ~10 million a year, but hit refresh on the wing scorer. Huge talent upgrade, and I much prefer that to the Salmons/Ty Thomas idea.(Though that may be slightly more likely.) I'd even try to get Chicago involved, send Ty Thomas to GS and Mason to Chicago.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yghobmu

Assets Remaining
Ginobili(EC)
Parker
Bonner (EC)
Splitter Rights
Finley(EC)
Bogans (EC)
Ratliff(EC)

Team Post trade

Biedrins/McDyess/Ratliff
Duncan/Blair/Randolph/Bonner
Maggette/Finley/ Hairston
Manu/Bogans
Parker/Hill

A little thin in the back court. I'd be trying to flip the EC's of Bonner and Finley for a D and corner 3 guy(Possibly add them to the above trade to get Salmons), Trade with Splitter's rights to get Battier, Splitter Rights and 1 to get Thabo(If Thunder agree, C is point of Weakness but Thabo is outstanding Defensively, may not be worth it for them), or getting James Jones(Miami needs cap space, he has a bad contract), or anyone in a similar ilk would be great. I think that fills our needs, and helps us defensively, and a talent upgrade.

There are also decisions to be made on keeping Manu, and you won' get equal talent in a trade, but you could go young and get an additional asset(eg, Sacramento for K-Mart, pick up a pick or pry away one of their dissapointments and hedge him off to a team for a pick or asset(J. Thompson to Charlotte for Augustin, as an example. I'd keep Manu, but you have to look at options)

Just so you're all clear, I haven't heard rumours of these trades, they're made up. But I think there is some motivation for each team to do the GS-CHI trade, We'd probably do it, and it helps us. I'm sure they're skewed in SA favour, and another team could trump our offer, but they're at least(IMO) somewhat realistic, It's not in the Durant for Mason and Ratliff category.

[DaBears]

Maybe all of the SPURS fans in this great city do a rain dance sort of speak, the NBA gods and especially the SPURS FO will hear and shake things up...

[Thompson]

I'm hoping Spurs make a decent trade, maybe for Salmons.

In fact, the Spurs know that if they're playing dominant basketball, other teams will be hesitant to deal them good players and make them even more powerful, so maybe the Spurs have been playing rope-a-dope. Also, this perceived 'weak' compe ion from the Spurs will not compel their rivals to make lopsided trades to pass them; no more Gasol deals this year.

Immediately following the trade deadline, Mahinmi starts next to Duncan. The NBA is dumbfounded to see the Spurs have pulled David Robinson 2.0 from out of nowhere. Spurs go on to win 5 straight rings after LeBron realizes he has more money than he knows what to do with and signs up for the vet minimum.

I get a little carried away sometimes.

[jermaine]

Immediately following the trade deadline, Mahinmi starts next to Duncan. The NBA is dumbfounded to see the Spurs have pulled David Robinson 2.0 from out of nowhere. Spurs go on to win 5 straight rings after LeBron realizes he has more money than he knows what to do with and signs up for the vet minimum.


Lord I hope so. That bot is quick. An if any of you think the Spurs are goin to trade Manu your a damn fool. They put the ball in his hand almost everytime down the court

[duncan228]

Team-By-Team Trade Outlook
By Chris Mannix
SI.com

With a potential lockout looming and multiple teams looking to slash payroll in anticipation of this summer's free-agent bonanza, the trading season could bring a handful of surprises. As the Feb. 18 deadline approaches, here's a look at each team's trading potential. (All payroll figures are from HoopsHype.com.)

San Antonio Spurs
Team Payroll: $80.2 million
Potential Trade Assets: G George Hill, G Manu Ginobili, G Roger Mason, F Matt Bonner

The Spurs had internal discussions about Stoudemire but that didn't get very far. San Antonio is expected to stand pat and hope the chemistry between the still-adjusting Richard Jefferson (averaging 12.1 points, lowest since his rookie season) and the rest of the team comes together by April. The Spurs do have the expiring contracts of Mason and Bonner to work with, but both are solid role players in Gregg Popovich's system.

[tim_duncan_fan]

If we trade RMJ, I'm gonna go ing ballistic.

[admiralsnackbar]

Immediately following the trade deadline, Mahinmi starts next to Duncan. The NBA is dumbfounded to see the Spurs have pulled David Robinson 2.0 from out of nowhere. Spurs go on to win 5 straight rings after LeBron realizes he has more money than he knows what to do with and signs up for the vet minimum.

I get a little carried away sometimes.

This would be more plausible if we'd granted Ian an extension.

[Obstructed_View]

This would be more plausible if we'd granted Ian an extension.

Agreed. Furthermore, I think the only way that could even be conceivable is if they'd extended him. He's gone in July no matter what.

Well, I guess unless they trade him away now and trade back for him in the offseason. Don't even know if that's possible.

[admiralsnackbar]

Agreed. Furthermore, I think the only way that could even be conceivable is if they'd extended him. He's gone in July no matter what.

Well, I guess unless they trade him away now and trade back for him in the offseason. Don't even know if that's possible.

With all the contingencies that could arise to prevent such a scenario from occurring, I'd assume the FO hasn't planned for Ian's return. YMMV.

[Obstructed_View]

With all the contingencies that could arise to prevent such a scenario from occurring, I'd assume the FO hasn't planned for Ian's return. YMMV.

God help us all if that's a scenario they try to plan for.