Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[Bruno]

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...38893/20035997

The Warriors continue to peddle Andris Biedrins (four years and $36 million left) to achieve cost-savings, while the Clippers are offering Al Thornton and Sebastian Telfair for the same reason, sources say.

- Biedrins is one of the few player, with a contract that goes beyond 2012, I woudl like to trade for because he is young and his contract has a flat structure. It's nice to know that he is on the trading block.

- Maybe Spurs could get Camby if they accept to take Telfair with him. Telfair+Camby for Bonner+Mason+Finley+Mahinmi+1st could be a trade Clippers accept to do.

- I don't know what Clippers want for Thornton but it's worth asking for. He is very interesting young player.

[DPG21920]

Telfair + Camby is something I have suggested a little while ago. Telfair actually fits what Pop likes with regards to a scoring point guard. That would be a very solid trade overall and probably make the Spurs the best rebounding team in the league. I am not thrilled with Camby, but at the expense of the guys going out, why not?

Spurs might be hurting for 3 point shooters though.

I used to be very high on Thornton, but I have cooled off big time. He is not a very good player and he definitely seems to be a terrible decision maker on the court.

[lurker23]

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...38893/20035997



- Biedrins is one of the few player, with a contract that goes beyond 2012, I woudl like to trade for because he is young and his contract has a flat structure. It's nice to know that he is on the trading block.

Excellent, great to see that Biedrins is on the block. I speculated about that earlier when talking about a possible Maggette/Randolph for RJ trade:

If the Warriors were unwilling to do this deal, I wonder if they'd be more tempted if the Spurs offered to take both Maggette's and Biedrins' contracts for RJ + expirings. I know that's A LOT of long-term money, but at least it's long term money for guys who can play.

I haven't heard that specifically that they want to trade him, but the owner is in some financial trouble and is considering selling the team. A team with considerably less committed payroll (even minus Randolph) might be more appealing. Also, Biedrins' tenure in GS isn't going too smoothly at the moment:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/land...47&feedID=2799

Like I said, that is A LOT of long term money. If the Warriors came to the Spurs FO with that trade offer, I think they probably have to think it over a long while before deciding, purely from the financial side alone.

Now that we know Biedrins may be traded, though, how about Biedrins and Randolph for RJ + first round pick + filler (with Mahinmi being a likely part of that filler). I know that leaves a hole in the swingman position, but if the Spurs have given up somewhat on RJ, there aren't many "RJ for a big man" trades out there.

That being said, I don't know that GS goes for that offer. As much as they may want to shed payroll, they're probably not quite that desperate. However, it'd certainly be worth a shot to start offering up expirings and/or RJ and see where it leads you.

[mountainballer]

- I don't know what Clippers want for Thornton but it's worth asking for. He is very interesting young player.

I was very surprised to see Thornton's name, didn't realize that he decreased that much this season. btw. I also never realized that the guy is already 26! pretty "old" for a 3rd year player.
however, he would be an interesting option, if the asking price from the Clippers isn't that much.

[Bruno]

Now that we know Biedrins may be traded, though, how about Biedrins and Randolph for RJ + first round pick + filler (with Mahinmi being a likely part of that filler).

I highly doubt Randolph is available for that package.

IMO, a Biedrins trade would be something like expiring contracts (Bonner, Finley, Mahinmi..) for Biedrins.

[DPG21920]

Man, that would be great. If we could replace Bonner with Biedrins, that would automatically fill a huge need without weakening themselves in another area.

[lurker23]

I highly doubt Randolph is available for that package.

IMO, a Biedrins trade would be something like expiring contracts (Bonner, Finley, Mahinmi..) for Biedrins.

Just as good, if not better. The only reason Randolph's name started getting thrown into the mix by Spurs fans was as a sweetener to take on Maggette's inflated contract. While his contract isn't too much different than Biedrins', I think you get more value for the dollar with Andris.

Having Randolph thrown in a GS trade, however, is one of the few deals where I don't even hesitate to throw in a first rounder.

[Bruno]

If Holt isn't fine with taking Biedrins contract for expiring, you can also imagine a more complicated scenario like a 3 teams trade with Spurs getting Salmons+Biedrins for RJ.

[lurker23]

If Holt isn't fine with taking Biedrins contract for expiring, you can also imagine a more complicated scenario like a 3 teams trade with Spurs getting Salmons+Biedrins for RJ.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ykec29v

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[Bruno]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ykec29v

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Yes, that's the basic idea.
You can also imagine something smaller with Bell going to Chicago and Spurs keeping Mason and Finley. Bonner could also be part of the trade. It just depends on how Spurs value these players.

[MaNu4Tres]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ykec29v

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I'm confident Chip can improve Biedrins' 13 percent shooting from the foul line.

[murpjf88]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yhukwqr


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[Blackjack]

Read this, and you should have a good idea about what GS is looking to do.

[lurker23]

Read this, and you should have a good idea about what GS is looking to do.

Kind of an odd interview. They definitely seem to know they're building for the future. They seem to want to trade expirings for a mid-to-high contract, but "there would be no point in giving up three expiring contracts, or two, for a player who is overvalued or who doesn’t add anything for our team", which may rule out RJ. At the same time, there have been a lot of reports of them wanting to shed long term contracts.

I understand GS exploring all options and all directions, but despite the fact that they did that interview to explain their thought processes, they sound just as confused as ever to me.

[Blackjack]

We went through all the trade scenarious, the things that we’ve talked abnout, and the potential trades, and we’re in a situation where we have enough money in the contracts that we have along with some our existing players to be able to make a deal that get you in the range of nine, 10, 11, 12 million dollars. 13. That’s the range where can go to get a player who is a good player.

Now, if you want to get up top $20 million and get into that range of those players – and I’m not supposed to mention their names, but you know who they are – then you would have to have Speedy’s money. You would have to be in position to where then you would take on that money and you would hope to go attract one of those three or four guys – and you know who we’re talking about – in free agency. We cannot get those guys to come here. We’re not a winning tradition team right now and we’re not a major media market, although we’re a good media market. We’re in a situation where we’re just not going to get those guys. So our range is in that range that’s below that and we have enough players where if we find a guy that is making $12 million, for example, who is a good player that we want to acquire, we can still make a trade for that guy. If this money had taken us out of that, we would have never gone in that direction. Plus, you’re also looking down the road at managing your cap.

Will you have to trade one of your four highest-paid players?

Riley: We’re not trading Monta Ellis, and we’re not trading Stephen Curry. And if we have to trade some of the other players, we’re going to look at it. It’s very difficult to take what we have and trade for a star. So we have to trade for a good player and get some help for our team. There will be somebody who will probably trade that the fan base won’t necessarily like. … We do have to move a guy. We do have to move a guy to get where we want to go.

That's what sparked the idea for the initial deal I threw out: Jefferson and the rights to Splitter for Maggette and Randolph. They get a replacement for Maggette, in which they shed salary through the duration and they get Splitter to have the ability to shed Biedrins' salary in a separate trade with a suitable, low-cost player.

Randolph seems to be the player Riley's subtly referring to as the guy the fan base wouldn't be too pleased to see go. . .

[DPG21920]

After a lot of moves backfiring over the last year (Shaq to PHX, Carter to ORL, RJ to Spurs...) I can see a whole bunch of nothing happening this trade deadline. Maybe some small salary dumps for non-contenders, but that is about all.

I can maybe see 2 or 3 teams willing to do a big move: Boston, Cavs & Mavs.

[Blackjack]

Again, as I mentioned a few pages back, I'm not expecting much, if anything to get done.

The way they've structured their contracts to coincide with the pending CBA negotiations, leads you to believe this spending splurge was a very precise and calculated move; there's been no departure in philosophy or upgrade in Holt's status, they just had money saved away, for this current rainy day (so to speak), because of their thrift of yesteryear.

I personally think taking on someone like Maggette is a no-brainer move if it nets Randolph, because it's likely to benefit the team on and off the court at the back end. But I also know that the Spurs have a game plan in mind with everything they do and it's often they deviate; I'm not sure they ever do, really.

[Boss]

Marc Stein is reporting mavs and wizards are in talks for a deal that would involve Haywood and Butler.
I think it may look something like Josh Howard and Gooden for Haywood and Butler.

If the David Aldridge story on Manu has any legs to it (Manu will most likely be playing somewhere else after this season) why not try to jump into talks w/ the Wiz?

The spurs could offer Manu Bonner and Ian for Haywood and Butler and I think that's a better offer.

The issue is Washington also wants to include Stevenson in the deal and nobody wants him but the closer to the deadline it gets the more desperate the Wiz will be to dump salary.

I personally don't want to trade Manu and believe his best offer would be to resign w/ the Spurs but there's a chance the Spurs FO wants to move on from Manu citing injuries and decline in play. If that's the case then the best move is to trade him now then let him walk for nothing in return.

[8FOR!3]

Marc Stein is reporting mavs and wizards are in talks for a deal that would involve Haywood and Butler.
I think it may look something like Josh Howard and Gooden for Haywood and Butler.

If the David Aldridge story on Manu has any legs to it (Manu will most likely be playing somewhere else after this season) why not try to jump into talks w/ the Wiz?

The spurs could offer Manu Bonner and Ian for Haywood and Butler and I think that's a better offer.

The issue is Washington also wants to include Stevenson in the deal and nobody wants him but the closer to the deadline it gets the more desperate the Wiz will be to dump salary.

I personally don't want to trade Manu and believe his best offer would be to resign w/ the Spurs but there's a chance the Spurs FO wants to move on from Manu citing injuries and decline in play. If that's the case then the best move is to trade him now then let him walk for nothing in return.

That's a terrible trade . Manu/Bonner/Ian for Haywood/Butler = end of our season's chances.

[objective]

Team-By-Team Trade Outlook
By Chris Mannix
SI.com

With a potential lockout looming and multiple teams looking to slash payroll in anticipation of this summer's free-agent bonanza, the trading season could bring a handful of surprises. As the Feb. 18 deadline approaches, here's a look at each team's trading potential. (All payroll figures are from HoopsHype.com.)

San Antonio Spurs
Team Payroll: $80.2 million
Potential Trade Assets: G George Hill, G Manu Ginobili, G Roger Mason, F Matt Bonner

Is there a particular reason that Michael Finley isn't listed among the trade assets? Is it because he only registers 2.5 while the other vets start at 3.2 and that's smalltime for expirings?

Or maybe he's off the table.

[Boss]

That's a terrible trade . Manu/Bonner/Ian for Haywood/Butler = end of our season's chances.

Our seasons chances are not very good w/ the current team we have. Teams have exploited our interior D all year and getting a legit Defensive Center Like Haywood and putting him next to Duncan would change everything. IF u read what I said there is a chance the Spurs will move on from Manu. If they r then why let him just walk? Butler is a pretty damn good player to get in return

[objective]

the reason to risk Manu walking for nothing is because when it comes to public relations that makes Manu the bad guy.

If the Spurs trade Manu away, that makes them the bad guy.

[ElNono]

the reason to risk Manu walking for nothing is because when it comes to public relations that makes Manu the bad guy.

If the Spurs trade Manu away, that makes them the bad guy.

I doubt the Spurs care about 'looks'... It's either a sound sport and business decision or not.

[Boss]

From Twitter Marc Stein just tweeted a couple minutes ago: STEIN_LINE_HQ
Just filed to ESPN.com: Mavs-Wiz trade talks have only gotten more serious this afternoon. Many sources say sides closing in on a deal.

If mavs can get haywood and butler for Howard and another expiring that's a great deal for the Mavs

[objective]

I doubt the Spurs care about 'looks'... It's either a sound sport and business decision or not.

Maybe so. I would hope so.

But weren't they willing to let Robinson walk until the public outcry forced their hand? Wasn't it pressure from Pop and Duncan in front of the public and the media that got Parker the extra $2 million from Holt and got the contract done?