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This could be a really scary trade for the rest of the NBA.
All depends on what the Cavs give up.
Cavs trying to acquire Stoudemire...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4910377
This could be a really scary trade for the rest of the NBA.
All depends on what the Cavs give up.
Talent-wise, yes, but I'm not sure I like the fit and how much more of a role will Stoudemire play than Hickson already does? Obviously he'll play more, but will he be that big a part of the offense? We know he never meshed well with O'Neal and defensively he certainly doesn't help the Cavs, but like the Mavs with Butler, he would give them a legit number two star, something they've needed for years. It can't make the Cavs worse, but I'm not sure how much it makes them better, although the potential is obviously there.
My guess: Ilgauskas, Hickson, 1st round pick and if need be for salary purposes, another minor contract or two
Rumor is Szerbiak will be signed and traded to help, ala VanHorn back a couple years back.
That is a good point. He'd probably have to play more pick and pop with Shaq on the court and then move lower in the post when Shaq's out.
As for what he does, he can score alot more effectively than JJ Hickson in conjunction with LeBron. Defensively, maybe he'll put more effort into it with a new coach.
Does anyone read much into the fact that Tony was out last night and wasn't on the bench? Is it possible he's on the block? If so, would he be enough to get Bosh here? Just curious.
It's possible.
If there's any deal, Tony for Bosh makes perfect sense.
Toronto would have Tony locked up until 2011 which is beneficial because they have problems getting FA's. And since Canada is also a French haven, the Raptors probably have a good chance of re-signing him.
Bosh gets to come back to his native Texas. Plus he said he doesn't want to be the #2 player but in SAS, he'd be taking over for Duncan. Spurs would have a very high chance of signing him to a new contract.
However, Toronto said this week that they are in no way trading Bosh and nothing will happen until the off-season.
Raptors would never trade Bosh and they could do a lot better than Tony if they did..
The Spurs would have to be pretty desperate to risk this, IMO. If Bosh leaves, there goes a Finals MVP for nothing. Is it possible (within the current CBA) for a contract extension for Bosh to be part of the trade? Or can extensions not happen during the season anyway?
Question. If DAL-WAS goes and CLE-PHX goes, who else is buying?
1) The Rockets? Maybe, they have TMacs's expiring. But they have been pretty cagey with that. They might just let it expire unless they get a clear home run.
2) Portand. They might want to do some talent consolidation, but they aren't looking for anything major
3) Boston. They have Ray Allen's expiring but not much else to trade. And they have more lux tax issues than us...(Current payroll 84.5 million + tax, committed to 64 million next year, for 6 players...)
4) SAS.
Who's selling
1) Indiana
2) Philadelphia
3) Chicago
at this point, if the FO is willing to try, we could move jefferson and expirings to either Philly or Indiana, while filling two major needs A) a mullingan on Jefferson at the wing (either Iguolda or Dunleavy), and B) another decent big man (either Dalembert or Murphy). My preference would be a Iggy and Dalembert, as I think the fit would be better.
Bosh can do an extension but he would be crazy to do so.
Bosh won't do an extension at this time because he stands to make alot more money on the market.
He can get a full $130 million contract guaranteed this summer.
Bosh could never make more money in FA than with the team that owns his bird rights.
I'm including his own team... he'll be a FA but the Raptors can still pay him the most.
He stands to make more money as his own team's FA while competing teams will drive up his price.
If he signs an extension; that's a whole lot less guaranteed money...like $60 million I believe.
Okay I am not trying to get in an another argument with you, just want to say something...
Bosh going into the market would get him more money because he would have less guaranteed money, whereas if he goes into the market he could get a huge contract over a long span of time (that is if the rules don't change. Thats why there might be a lockout to begin next season.)
I thought Allanon was saying that going to another team would net him more money. If he waits until FA, he can get more money, but the most would be from the team that owns his bird rights.
I admire your tenacity to find Jefferson a new home, but for the umpteenth time, NOBODY is going to pry Richard away from the spurs. Philly and Indiana would have to have their heads examined to take on Jefferson's contract as is. Just because a trade works in the trade machine doesn't make it feasible. Richard, to make things worse, hasn't exactly helped his trade value this year with his pathetic play and don't think its gone unnoticed by GM's around the league. Nobody wants any part of him.
Okay. Here is my thought process though: (These numbers won't be accurate)
Lets says Toronto just offers him 10 million
But then other teams drive up the price to 11 million. Toronto would be able to exceed that number due to the bird rights to 11 million plus right?
So if he goes to the market he gets the 11 million from another team or Toronto increases there offer. Either way he gets more than the original amount of money he would get from the extension because the compe ion drove up the price.
Or maybe I am trying to sound smart about a process I don't really know anything about.
Just in theory, lets say he is going to get offered a "max contract" regardless of which team. The max contract from the Raptors would be worth more than any other teams because they have his bird rights.
Yes, and I bet you someone does offer him a max contract so I guess the Raptors would give him the most money.
And if you haven't heard of his recent comments he doesn't sound like he wants to go to a team with great players on it already. He claims that he is a player that can get built around.
I thought he would leave Toronto but he might just stay.
You're wrong about Jefferson being untradeable. The key is finding a player(s) who have a worse long-term contract than Jefferson, that the Spurs can a) use (ie they have to be talented) and b) are on teams that are not in a position to tolerate their bad contracts due to being in a rebuilding phase.
I see 2 candidates
IND - Murphy and Dunleavy are both 2011 expirings like Jefferson, and make a combined $21 million. Combined, that is a worse contract than Jefferson. Indiana currently sucks, and Murphy and Dunleavy aren't going to be useful/there when they finish rebuilding. An offer of assets(SAS 2010 1st, Mahinmi), expiring contracts (and the cap relief thereof) and Jefferson seems to be better than anything else a suitor has put on the table.
PHI - Iguolda is on the books until 2013/14, ending at $15 million...Dalembert expires in 2011, just like Jefferson, and is worth $12 million in that season. Again, combined, a much worse contract than Jefferson. Philly currently sucks, and again, they haven't recieved any good offers.
Both IND and PHI are basically stuck getting what the Market will bear. As such a Spurs offer that includes enough expirings to get them below Lux tax next year, and better assets than others have put on the table becomes a very acceptable option, particularly if they think their fanbases won't stand for offers of a single giant expiring (Ray Allen/TMac). Especially if they think Jefferson might perform better in an offense where he gets more touches and they get out and run more (which both IND and PHI try and do).
I don't think the Spurs are really looking to add much salary past 2012, for a number of reasons, including the new CBA, the Duncan era being pretty much over and actual rebuilding having to start taking shape.
If you look at the salary structure right now, the only players signed for 2012/2013 are George Hill with a qualifying offer, and Blair who is a team option.
The Murphy and Dunleavy case is interesting, but I don't think the Spurs are realistically interested in those guys, and honestly, I don't think they make us much better either.
If I'm the FO the first call I make is to Charlotte to see if MJ is dumb enough / the team is losing too much money to afford Captain Jack. He's been awesome for them on the court so it's a very long shot, and would probably mean we'd have to throw in the third Gasol brother to make a deal work...
The Bobcats have a chance to make some noise in the playoffs for the first time in their franchise history...I dont think they want to ruin that
Interesting fact:
If Spurs make a move and land Tyrus Thomas he can't wear 24 because of Jefferson obviously.
But an interesting fact is Thomas wore 12 his whole life before he got to the Bulls. Since Kirk Hinrich wore 12 when Thomas was drafted, Thomas switched to 24.
If Spurs make a move for Thomas I can guarantee he will want 12 since its available ( or is it?).
If Spurs don't give it to him then that will answer the question on whether or not Bowen's jersey will get lifted to the rafters.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
^ Well, we have had the answer when Haislip got the #22 jersey.
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