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If pop kept yelling at RJ, RJ would probably start crying and roll up into a little ball and die. We don't need to make a scene.
Great quote ... mad props if that is yours (original)ouch.....that hurts
Should have this quote framed up at Pop's office
I think the Pop/RC criticism is over the top on here... he has 4 les!!!
But the RJ ones are not ...
Not every move/strategy we will bear itself out ...Look at the GP and Phil mix GP hated Phil and I doubted he was agreat fit for the triangle ...even at older age his game and the triangle was a mess (GP one of my all time faves but like c3p he NEEDS the ball to be effective)
Lakers listened to Shaq and made a plea for GP and Malone Karl worked out GP struggled ...
Bad chemistry occures when you try and fit players (RJ) in to roles that they have not shown the abilty to adapt to ...
RJ is not a proven shooter he is a scorer with a decent jumper (before this year)
RJ is not a defensive stopper he is an athlete that can make some good defensive plays ...
RJ is not a hustle energy guy either but he can give you the occasional highlight real dunk or block
This is what he was BEFORE the Spurs got him ...none of that really is what the Spurs needed EXCEPT maybe teh athleticism ...
They need a shooter (you surround bigs with shooters ...duh!!) phil will always crowd the paint against SA ....BECAUSE it kills 2 birds with one stone
(Parker & tim)
A BIG he is not that and thoughg good Dice isnt either so you have Tim playing center ...
you guys have not replaced Bowen ...Bogans is NOT it either ...
If pop kept yelling at RJ, RJ would probably start crying and roll up into a little ball and die. We don't need to make a scene.
I think Jackson pulled an old psych move on Pop. One that Pop pulled a few times with others in the Spurs better days.
Not that Kobe and Bynum aren't hurting, but it was a win/win if he sat them for this game. If the Lakers win without two key players the Spurs (and their fans) are even further demoralized. If the Lakers lose, no biggee, they have a built in excuse with no satisfaction for the Spurs.
Thanks for the post timvp. I've only skimmed a lot of this thread, but here are a few thoughts from me:
-Last night was hard to watch. Really hard to watch. I know this team so well, based on the way they were playing in the second quarter, I could just feel the meltdown coming. In fact, near the end of the 1st half, I turned to my wife and said, "We can go to bed anytime you want, I don't need to see the end of this." She looked at me oddly and said, "Who are you and what have you done with my husband?" However, I ended up watching it all. Every last excruciating minute of it. It was like a horror movie that you can't stop watching, can't peel your eyes from the TV, even though you know something horrible is about to happen.
-I'm probably in the top 25% of optimists on this board, and pretty much always a HOYA all the way. This is the first year I've really, truly panicked. Something needs to happen. A trade, a mass benching, a 10-game suspension for Pop for going into the stands and beating up a fan. Seriously, someone, ANYONE do something to shake some life into this team.
-I've also been what many would call a Pop apologist, if somewhat silently. Usually I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, since he has more basketball knowledge after 5 bottles of Pinot Noir than I will when I'm 99 years old. However, last night was the last straw for me. It honestly looked like he didn't want to win. How else could you explain it? The lineups were horrible, the subs were horrible, and most of it didn't make much sense. I know many of you have been complaining about this for years, but Championship Pop, where hast thou gone?
-I agree that RJ simply isn't going to fit. He hasn't shown any heart, and hasn't played with much skill either. I was just as happy as everyone else when the trade went down. In fact, I'll still say that it was a good trade. You put that trade on my desk, and I take it 100 times out of 100. If Spurs fans got wind of that trade and that the Spurs turned it down, there would have been an absolute riot. Even if he had stayed on the Bucks or gone elsewhere and averaged 10 ppg on 35% shooting, some of us probably still would have said, "Yeah, but maybe he just needs a change of scenery. Maybe he would fit here." Well, now we know- he doesn't. The trade has been a catastrophic failure on the basketball court so far, and the only solace the Spurs have is that he's a big expiring contract next year.
-As for the rest of the team, I at least have modi s of faith in them. Tim may not be in his prime, but he's still better than a whole lot of big men in this league. I was yelling at Tony a lot last night for his poor passing decision making, but he's still better at getting into the paint than most guards in the league. Manu's flashes of brilliance are fewer and farther between, but man I still love watching him play, and would still love to watch him in a Spurs uniform for a couple more years. McDyess has looked good at times over the past few weeks, and I'm not willing to give up on him yet. Hill and Blair have their youthful limitations that may or may not go away, but they make me hopeful for the future. And the rest of the role players are mostly capable of playing their roles, but I'm fine with pretty much all of them being traded away to shake things up.
Popovitch has always been over-rated imo. Tim Duncan won those les in San Antonio, not Popovitch's coaching. The problem you have now is that he previously named himself President of Basketball Operations if I remember correctly. He would have to fire himself which is unlikely.
Probably the biggest surprise of the Spurs to me is Tony Parker's play. I thought he was better than this?
Brutally Honest Truths ? We suck
Pop's tinkering with the line-up is killing this team.
Case in point: Ginobili was taken out after he just nailed a 3 and the spurs were cutting majorly into the lead. TP and TD come in, cold, and the offense stagnates, TP immediately shoots a long jumper, bricks, lakers run it and it's game over.
I was going to create a thread similar to this today, wouldn't have received any attention as this one has, but yes its time. Time to stop thinking about championships and start thinking about the future (championships).
What kind of disturbed me a bit last night was watching Pop and Tony joking and laughing together late in the 4th.
Nothing wrong with joking per-say, but they should probably have been upset with themselves,serious and focused, and feeling terrible after getting beat down like that. Personaly, It just kind of rubbed me the wrong way, and had me wondering how much they cared that they were getting their asses handed to them by a limp Laker team . I could be wrong and I hope I am but it's just how it made me feel watching that.
So what you're saying is...we're are a season away from being the Detroit Pistons? !!!!
My first post on this forum was so hopeful, even if it was after we lost in the playoffs. I saw Timmy never giving up, even at the end and it stuck with me. There must be a way, some way to at least get us in a position where we aren't a total mess...let Timmy throw his punches, let Manu leave with dignity rather than just quietly in the off season! LET IT ALL BE FOR SOMETHING! There are 10 days left to make a change, right? If we're losing the house, let's throw a in party and wake the neighbors.
One of the best posts of the year
What an emo thread. Why don't you go hang out with Jacob the mavfan, timvp.
Pop should consider giving Kevin Willis a call…That one series where the Lakers got about 5 offensive rebounds before scoring was pretty bad…I mean its not like Lamar & Sasha are the inside presence of Shaq….
Brutally honest truth: YOU !
another brutally honest truth: this will be manu's last season in a Spurs uniform
Stop it with fire Pop. Pop is trying desperately to find a combination to flip a switch in this team mentally. When the offense goes into a funk, as it often does, he has to interchange to get something going. He's a fine coach and we're lucky to have him.
That being said, this team has nothing defensively. I think the quick fix is a rugged player or two. Along with Barkley's sentiments last night, a big man would be essential. It doesnt have to be a superstar just someone to refill that need next to Tim. Once our perimeter defense can get shored up, we can compete. (Did you notice the word I used?)
We aren't going to beat the Lakers. Its unfortunate but its true. 1-15 they are stacked to the deck and there is nothing any team can do about it. Health will be a concern but that is why we play it out.
I believe in SPAM but that will only take effect with 1 or 2 new faces on this team. I'm not saying who specifically, but a team needs a shot in the arm to flip the mindset, even if that shot hurts like .
That is all
I'm having trouble reconciling those two statements. The Spurs have two seven footers rotting away on the bench while Michael Finley covers Pau Gasol.
So now it's ok to give up and because timvp says so? Ok
it's been evident this team is done for a while. They need to rebuild. They need to play the shut out of Ian and Hairston, try to get an additional 1st rounder if possible via trade, trade Manu cause he's not coming back and we need 1st round picks, and under no cir stances make the playoffs this year. 2 1st round picks and a rested and rejuvenated team next year with Parker the star and TD an above average rotation big is a step in the right direction.
Who and who? I promise if they were worth a damn, they would be playing. Evidence being the FO is working the phones to get another big.
Last nights loss reminded me of the loss against the Lakers in 2008. The year we failed to repeat again. We knew that loss was proof that our dominance over the West was over. There was a new sherriff in town, and we would have to start rebuilding quickly around the Big 3 if we wanted to stay in contention.
Our recent loss reminds me alot of the way we walked off the court in 2008. The Spurs knew they just cant compete with the Lakers anymore. But last nights loss was so much worse cause it seemed as though the whole team looked like a bunch of losers. As bad as that sounds that what it looked like. With no more Bruce or Brent, who were the vocal leaders, nobody is there to be a vocal leader.
Pop doesnt give a anymore.Its obvious, to put your rookie bigman to go up against "the most skilled bigman" on the road, on a nationally telivised game is pretty evident that he knew ths Spurs wouldnt win either way. F*** Pop. He had this coming to him..
Hey I called this before Christmas...
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142701
The Keith Bogans' signing has been a double whammy of sorts. First, by effectively ending Hairston's development and season.
And second it has disrupted Roger Mason's role on the team, culiminating in his total loss of confidence and playing time.
I was never a big fan of the Keith Bogans' signing... just another example of Pop's propensity for choosing older, unathletic players over young athletic ones.. when the big 3 are getting old themselves, nearing the end of their careers, they need to be surrounded by athletic studs.
You mean like Rasho and Nazr in 2006 after the Spurs won 63 games? Or do you mean like Hill and Bowen last year?
I'm sorry, what evidence is that?
What really kills me about this season is many of us see the same things and have the same complaints. What's up with Pop? How come he can't see it?
What about his assistants? What about Holt? The players? The local media?
Is Pop just that intimidating that no one is in a position to question him?
Does he have a free pass? and yes...I know, I know he's got 4 rings...
great read timvp
Sad but true.
I really hope a trade happen. This can't get worse
If RJ really cares about the Spurs, he will opt out after the season.
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