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If he's smart, Pop will pull a Dunleavy and step down as coach, and salvage what's left of his legacy before he s up any worse.
Nice take. It might seem appropriate to think future at this point regardless of Tim's two years left.
Perhaps a total shake up of roster with regards to your point would be the best in a situation such as you suggested and a total rebuild of core players not named Duncan could yield for Parker, Manu and Jefferson some gifted talent in youth and ability to help Duncan win one more ring and give this team a core of players to repeat in a future without Duncan.
Parker for picks. Manu for cap space/picks. Jefferson to just get him out.
If the FO feels there's not a shot this year...might as well look to pad your options for garnishing young talent for the future.
If he's smart, Pop will pull a Dunleavy and step down as coach, and salvage what's left of his legacy before he s up any worse.
I was thinking about something similar earlier. Back when the Spurs traded for RJ, I felt the chances that he exercised his Early Termination Option was about 0.1%. If there's a fair amount of ill will between RJ and the Spurs by the end of this season, perhaps that number raises to 1-2%. However, the $10 million or so he stands to lose is probably too much of a motivator to allow him to do that.
More likely, if the Spurs really want to part ways with RJ, his contract becomes a lot more valuable as an expiring next year. If he keeps playing like he is now, they could probably still dump him and get marginal/decent talent back in return. There's also an outside chance that one of the big cap space teams will completely strike out in free agency, and might be willing to take on RJ's contract for a draft pick.
It's a sad day to Spurs fans, not because of the current situation but Timvp has given up on this team. He's always been patience and most of the time given great comments of common sense. But in this one I think he's speaking with too much fire in his head to think cleaerer.
What I think that frighten more to Spurs fans is the fact the this team hasn't been in this slump in a long time and most are thinking that a long bad streak it's being a never ending whole.
Plus I think the Spurs fans and Timvp as well has put too much hopes in the rodeo trip. But you're not considering that there's still half season to improve and matching up against good teams that will only help Spurs.
Wanna know what I think? I think I don't give up on this players. There's enough talent to build a good team chemestry. We have a coach that has been questioned but as many situations can turn bad, they can still go from bad to good. Especially with proven talents. Despite de aging of most I don't actually belive that's the real problem. I just don't buy that a player can decrease this bad in months. To me it's a lack of team chemestry, probably because Jefferson hasn't adapted to the sistem. And I admit that he's probably never will. So trade him or make him take another role that it's not in the scoring area. He can be useful in many other areas. Bench him or play him less. He can be useful. And we have enough offense talent to keep up with the good teams.
It's clear that the Spurs need a turnaround. I know that Pop knows it and he's working on it.
I still believe that anything can happen. I wont lose confidence until the season is over.
Ehlo.
exactly. Some of us have been saying this way before timvp finally realized it is not happening this year. But since timvp has now jumped ship in not believing in this team anymore it is now all right for the rest of the sheep to follow.
imho the bihggest problem we have is size and lenght.
But we don't have a lot to give, so, anyway, we have to take some risk...
For example : Jefferson for Prince could be an idea, they both have a contract expiring in 2011 for a similar amount, Prince had a bad season due to injuries but probably, also with one leg, he could be better option than Jefferson against players a la Odom or a la Artest...
Detroit could bite, considering that their stile of play looks like up tempo oriented, and could give to an healty and talented player like Jefferson some good opportunities to shine
Diop or Chandler for expirings : Charlotte has too many bigs, and I'm talking of long and defensive oriented bigs...that's just what we lack...
RJ for Prince would be a genius move.
Nope,..
First off It's not mental and no matter what Popovich tries with what's been constructed. Fact is this teams flaws are flat out physical and to try forging it any other way is futile and not seeing the big picture.
The dynamics of the players they've retained and acquired is a bad mix in regards to how they play and the various inabilities to matchup with an array of opponents.
See Popovich scripts methodic[s] and he no longer has the horses to play that way. The trio can't do it alone and on their offseason shopping spree the coach and GM didn't help them a single bit.
With Jefferson you have to script to athleticism in transition, with McDyess it's got to be a more structured and slow down pace, with Ratliff it's spot minutes defense. Which when adding all the single faceted shoots that can't find any comfort in trying to get their shots.
It's a mix of non augmenting skills sets and with the money spent and how easy it is to recognize and for other teams to attack it's turned into a focus shifting and finger pointing circus,..and it's the result of clownish construction.
That said,.. this team still isn't far off from a few tweaks being able to immensely and immediately improve. However, it's just now that much more difficult and the time to work them into a confident chemistry is running out.
With a full compliment of roster spots already filled now to fix it would be even more expense, less likely and a bit late in the game.
Wow, right now in the middle of the afternoon, there are over 650 viewing the Spurs forum. Is there a trade I missed or did somebody die?
We're in morning brother..Wow, right now in the middle of the afternoon, there are over 650 viewing the Spurs forum. Is there a trade I missed or did somebody die?
US Central Time, it's afternoon.
I am more with Bruno than Timvp on this. The team is playing terrible. I remember thinking last night as I turned off the game, that this was the first time in a long time that I knew this team had no chance to win as is. It was a strange and sad feeling.
But like Bruno, I think that things can change, but it would take flawless execution and a little bit of luck as always (finding a trade partner that actually fits your needs smartly). It is hard enough to trade as is, but especially when you need specific things and teams know you are desperate.
One thing is for sure though, it is really strange to see the big 3 out on the court together and now there is no chance if something does not change.
Last edited by DPG21920; 02-09-2010 at 06:47 PM.
Complex system? This team used to have the most complex system in the entire league, now they're like most teams, it's a steady diet of middle pick-and-rolls and post-ups. Late in the game, I just shut it off, but you tell me, was their another play run in that game besides those two? Even the 1-2 they usually run for Jefferson were missing, like that one where they run him along the baseline, set a diagonal screen for him and free him up to either curl into the lane and finish or get prime post position on his man. Defensively, the Spurs do different rotations than most, but that can no longer be an excuse at this point. They've had 50 games, plus preseason and training camp.
Difficult as it was to read, I agree with everything you said. Surfing the net today, it seems as if last night was really the last straw for most in the basketball world with regards to this team. I had already given up on them and come to grips with this sometime after the Nuggets/Trail Blazers games. I knew before then that they weren't winning a championship as constructed, but I was still of the belief that a Camby trade or something similar would give them a shot.
Their problems run much deeper than that and the reality of the situation is they more than likely will not be able to assemble, much less win, a championship caliber team for the duration of the Duncan era. His body is breaking down and with a lockout looming after next season, Duncan will probably retire, given that and the state the franchise is in. That's pretty much the last thing to look forward to for Spurs fans at this point, watching his swan song. Wouldn't that be fitting, if Duncan retired without all that usually going along with an all-time great retiring in sports and just announces it sometime during the inevitable lockout? He deserves more, but he'd probably prefer it that way, with little fanfare.
WOW. i was pinked and lots of others given endless last season , mods included for emphasizing this exact thing.
glad you finally came around and admit the truth now tho
Random question, especially because I don't know him, but where is Whottt?
Haven't seen him around in a long time.
Get rid of RJ..dude blows and was worst pick up ever!!
We have about 30 games left in the season.
There might be a hope, but its not very big.
I was considering starting a similar thread and then I saw this one.
Last night's game had to mark the lowest point I've witnessed for this franchise since Timmy's been a Spur.
This team has proven it can't compete with the upper 4 or 5 teams in the West. There's been no glimmer of hope and the season is over 60% done.
not gonna read all 7 pages but whats a decent estimate of how many people in a row said i agree with all your points timvp?
The way this season was going to end up was apparent after our third game of the season. There were too many big glaring holes in the team cohesion, and that was before factoring in injuries and fatigue.
But like i said in the game blog....we will always have our Quattro. They'll never take away three in five years. Scoreboard, es.
whottt is posting daily and a LOT on one of his other user names... he wont post anymore as himself i until i dunno whenHaven't seen him around in a long time.
Yeah, but I miss whottt.whottt is posting daily and a LOT on one of his other user names... he wont post anymore as himself i until i dunno when
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