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This makes me want to cry. I remember how excited I was about this season. Ugh...this sucks
It looked so promising!
It looked so promising!
This makes me want to cry. I remember how excited I was about this season. Ugh...this sucks
It looked so promising!
Is Timvp a Davis Guggenheim troll?
Those were special moments and i tried to cherish every single one of the those the most i could because i knew that could've been our last.
.04 pisses me off even more now and so does game 7 in 06' ...great opportunities to add to our collection.
I agree entirely with timvp's OP. The window has closed.
For mine, it is time to rebuild. Tim, Tony, Grizzly, George, Ian and Malik stay (although it looks like Ian has gone already - what a waste, they should've picked up his option and started to play him), everyone else is expendable. I'd like to see Manu play out his career here on a decent 2-year contract, but if he needs to be shipped, so be it.
This team needs youth, and above all, ATHLETICISM. That is the new NBA. We're still chugging along under the old defensive model that won championships from the late-'90s through 2005, but that's not the NBA any more. Changes to perimeter hand-checking and moving screens has made this a slashers game, and we need to catch up to that.
Curse of Luis Scola. Not trading him, we woulda gone for three in a row.
Why you still cursing us, Luis? Why?
Here's a brutally honest truth: the Spurs are in great danger of missing the playoffs. Not as in maybe they hit a bad streak and maybe miss the playoffs, but as in if they don't hit a hot streak or make an overall improvement, they will miss the playoffs (they are currently on pace to miss them when you factor in strength of schedule and remaining road games vs. their success in both so far this season).
It looked so promising!
It is crazy to think that all the signs point to them having a legit shot at not making the playoffs. I cannot buy it from a mental standpoint, but the signs are serious enough you have to at least consider it. Which is almost unthinkable.
We need a lottery pick to get anywhere. I can see them falling out of the POs. At this point it's either mire in mediocrity for several years or somehow hit a triple with young talent. We have to get lucky.
Nice post, makes a lot sense. Spurs need energy and hustle out there that young legs can give them. Let the big 3 be the leaders.
At this point, given that there's no point making the playoffs and going nowhere, I hope we do miss the playoffs and enter the lottery. Looks like a deep draft, and we badly need an athletic perimeter guy like, say, Xavier Henry (listed 14 at the moment on draftexpress):
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2010/
My point was that our team is, relative to many other contending teams, slow and not at all athletic. Athletic is the way the game is going, but we have very few athletes. You want to call it young legs, fine, but it's really just semantics.
The elephant in the room is Pop's system - has it outlived its effectiveness? Is it time to actually modify the way the Spurs play combined with an influx of youth? I haven't decided on that one, but I do know that Pop has to get better at tailoring his system to the strengths of his players, particularly since rebuilding will mean massive change in personnel.
I've been starting to trawl the draft sites, too. Devin Ebanks is also a SF around that point. The player we really need (don't we ever) is Evan Turner. That guy is incredible. But we'd have to draw a lottery ball.
Amen.
Unfortunately for the FO, the gambles they took over the offseason have failed miserably. Now, the time has come where they don't very many optoins. I totally agree with those who've claimed that the failure of this roster means a lost year and, in effect, the window is closed.
I feel the worse for Duncan. He simply didn't deserve this and the FO has failed him miserably. They put woefully inadequate pieces around him and he's still a man on an island.
It simply doesn't make sense to try and piecemeal any further. The cold, hard reality is that it's time to turn it over and start rebuilding.
It's very possible that Pop's system is done, but I don't think it is..we finished with a good record last season despite so many injuries and despite starting mediocre players like Roger Mason, Michael Finley and Matt Bonner..despite having very little quality of depth off the bench..
It's possible though..of course we won't know if Pop's system needs an adjustment or whether we just need young players on the team..we won't know this because Pop won't ever play a lineup of more than 2 young players unless he has no other options..
we suck sooner rather than later. we're going to suck for a while..
Feable minds tend to hold on to old beliefs though proof of a better way regarding a trend is all but clear.
As the game progresses...so must the approach. Believing one can change the stripes on a Zebra has always proven to be a futile attempt of being narcissistic.
As discouraged as everyone is at this low point in time, the Spurs are going to find a way to compete. Last night was a trap game because we thought it was a lose-lose situation....which it most certainly was. RJ is going to have to dig down deep if he wants to play with this team. I don't think he doesn't care, he seems as concerned as everybody else. Either a sleeping giant will awaken within him, and this team as a whole, or we ain't going far. If none of our bigs are going to play, then I pray a trade is in the works.
+1
With the alarming decline of the big 3 this year, Pop needs to put a good amount of athletes on the floor with these guys to prop up their declining athleticism.. not guys like Bonner, Bogans, and Finley.
Which one of the two Pop systems are you talking about? The one that won us 4 championships or the garbage we've been playing for a couple of seasons now?
He'll have to sooner rather than later.
With Manu out the door this summer, RJ sucking and hopefully traded, and the triumverate of Bonner, Mason and Finley all expiring, the door will likely be forced open for a total roster rebuild.
Personally, I believe this coach and FO will have to face the "shock" of missing the playoffs for them to really get it. If they're foolish enough to still believe the window is still open, I guarantee you that missing the playoffs will sober them up quick.
This is 75% on POP...Hear me out.
Keith Bogans- When we signed him the last mintue of the offseason, I was like ok..decent shooter, and decent defender. But we didnt need him....and all he did was crowd our wings. Which is exactly what he has done this year. Taking away PT from players that contribute. People talk trash about Finley and Mason, but those guys can shoot and have hit HUGE shots for this team the past couple of years. Bogans hasnt hit since College. He is overrated defender is by far our worst shooting guard. And he cant create for other either......You cant take this team serioulsy when Keith MUTHA ING Bogans is getting PT. Sorry
Bigs- I really thought we had alot of options this year with our bigs....But DAMN was I wrong about that. Pop really ed this one up. BAD! We didnt cough up our Mid-level for another "role player" did we??? (McDyess). I mean if I knew that was the case we might as well have stuck with Bonner with our starting big. Oh and we got LUCKY with Blair...Oh god I cannot ing imagine....Ian doesn't miss a shot, yet cant see the court. I have heard all the excuses from the FO for not giving him any CHANCE...Could go down as the worst 1st rd pick in franchise history..and its not all his fault. I blame the FO for not even giving this kid a chance. Same goes for Haslip, yeah apparently he sucks..then WTF did we give him a contract??? Nuff said. And im sure Ratliff could be used for his defense, something none of our bigs can play except Timmy.
Richard Jefferson- Im easy on him unlike most of yall. He has been put into a position to fail. We ALLLLLL knew he could not come on this team and be our 3rd or 4th scoring option...it just wouldnt work. He isnt that type of player. He needs to be your 1st or 2nd option. Period. If he isn't shouldnt be on your team, and yes he is over paid lol..but thats not the point. He is on our team so we have to make the best of it, which Pop has not done at all.
So ya POP in sucks. Just like he did 00-02
Did BELIEVE die?
Please! You're spewing venom about the wrong guy. The deficiency at the wing positions is, and has been, a MAJOR issue with this team - and this has got nothing to do with Bogans. He no longer starts anyway and has given way to George Hill at SG. Hill is a very good player, but he's still undersized and shouldn't be used as the Spurs primary defensive stopper. That's another story.
Here's the problem. For years, Pop has favored spot-up shooters, who are slow afoot, cannot defend and have not provided much else in terms of skill set or contributions. In fact, the common thread with these guys is that if they're not shooting well, they become instant liabilities. Finley and Mason are virtually one-trick ponies. Finley is old, past his prime and should've been gone 2 years ago. Mason is one-dimensional, inconsistent and cannot get to the rim. These guys, and guys like them before, have been featured way too prominently on this team for too many years. While a stream of more athletic players have entered the NBA at those positions, Pop has countered by staying the course, while watching his precious spot-up shooters get torched on the other end of the court. I've said this for a couple of years now because Pop has subscribed to this flawed philosophy for several years. There's nothing wrong with have a spot-up shooter or two, but having 3-4 players who do the same thing and have the same limitations is just absurd.
Now I have to agree with you totally on that one. The frontcourt depth would've been set had Pop simply allowed Ian to get some court time. Ratliff isn't playing anyway, so what would it hurt. I'm just as pissed about that as anyone. With the way Dice has struggled, I'm now even wondering why they allowed Gooden to simply walk away.
Yeah, I was a big RJ proponent from the beginning. I thought he would be a perfect fit. I've come around to realize that he doesn't fit and I've been really hard on him. You're right. He didn't ask to come here and perhaps Pop and RC should've done more homework on him - seeing as how it appears that Scott Skiles and the Bucks FO were so desparate to see him gone. That said, you have to put some blame on RJ for his failed performances. It's not going to work out for him here. He needs to be traded soon. If not now, then definitely over the summer.
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