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That trade would be ideal to definitely turn a respected franchise into the GSW.
Thomas bb IQ is not very high and Salmons defense is questionable at best.
Trading Splitter = Scola trade 2.0.
Mahinmi is almost 7 foot tall too. what did that get him? Reality check time.. Popovich and small ball are like an intertwined pair now. Might as well get the piece(s) that fit the system the coach is using.
Get it. Got it. Good.
That trade would be ideal to definitely turn a respected franchise into the GSW.
Thomas bb IQ is not very high and Salmons defense is questionable at best.
Trading Splitter = Scola trade 2.0.
If the Spurs do end of giving up the rights to Splitter, that will make their decision to NOT pick up the option on Ian look awfully foolish.
Apparently, you havn't kept up with tiago splitter. Comparing him and mahinmi is dumb considering that Splitter is considered the best bigman in europe and Ian cant even get much playing time with his national team. Why would the spurs want another undersized PF when they already have blair for about 3.5 million $ less and he locked up for a couple more years? Its one thing to blow this team up, but why blow up the team for years to come.
Salmons and Thomas are good prospects but would not guarantee us a le. Not even close in my opinion. A lot of obstacles: being able to fit into the Spurs culture, learning the soul crushing System on the fly with almost no time to practice, earning the elusive trust of Pop and actually get minutes, hoping for Pop not to crush their spirits and/or put them in a position/situation that ill fits their comfort level. I think they could help the team, but getting them really suggests a whole new System if we expect them to succeed. This isn't a small tweek this is a big change. Trading all these crappy System players for new players is not that much different than blowing things up. Yes, we'd still have Manu and Parker but the team as a whole has to gel and this is a high gamble.
No matter what changes we make its not going to fix our problems immediately. Given that, I'd like to see the team move forward smartly and acquire youth and draft picks when possible.
For us to move all these expirings it is a major change and I think it should be recognized as that.
I have come to believe that no trade this year will make the Spurs le contenders and that we are better off standing pat. We have about 23 mil in expiring contracts for next year and a very good trade asset in RJs 15 mil contract. Stand pat and reload over the summer with Duncan, Parker, Blair, Hill, Hairston and maybe Splitter. Then go for the gusto in trade or free agent. Why should we give up our position to sign a stud FA to Chicago for Thomas and Salmons?
Who's saying he's the best in Europe? From everything I've seen, Splitter has no post game and is softer than tissue paper. WTF is he going to bring to the team? Oh right, absolutely nothing. He's nothing but a wasted pick.
I'd rather have that Bourrosis guy any day, at least he's a legit 7 foot with muscle that would give the spurs an interior presence which is something they could use, not a softie like Splitter.
Splitter is one of 3 best big men in the Euroleague.
Pekovic and Bouroussis being the other two.
Next to Duncan (even a fading Duncan), I predict 8-10 ppg and 5-7 rpg in 20', his rookie season.
Easily.
Thanks for proving my point..
I guess you posted this already in 2007.
I predict 4ppg / 2rb and will be sitting on the bench by the midway point next year... for the bulls.
Meanwhile, Thomas and Salmons will be leading the spurs to a
If you think Salmons and TT will lead the Spurs to a championship you are delusional.
Apparently Chad Ford at ESPN is too.. maybe you should fire him off a letter and let him know just how delusional he is. And all those teams lining up at the door to inquire about Thomas .. send those guys letters too while your at it...
For those that are skeptical or that thumb their noses at this potential trade, I've got news for you. The Spurs ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE to winning a le, as currently constructed. In fact, the Spurs are YEARS AWAY.
Combine that with the fact that Manu is as good as gone this summer, and throw in the failed RJ trade, and this team is heading in the opposition direction - FAST. With the average age of this roster getting older, the only way to stave this off and improve the talent level is get younger.
Therefore, like it or not and whether anyone admits it or not - they already primed to start rebuilding. Adding Salmons and Thomas will help speed that process along.
Last edited by SenorSpur; 02-11-2010 at 01:00 PM.
I'd much rather give up a draft pick than Splitter at this point. Draft pick = chance of a good player. Splitter = already a good player.
That said, I'm open to giving up Splitter in a trade, but only if it's for something big. I like the Thomas/Salmons trade, but it's not a big one, it's simply an incremental step up.
Last edited by lurker23; 02-11-2010 at 12:59 PM.
Ya, the knicks, kings,spurs, and hornets are all knocking on the door for a championship with thomas's help..keep trying.Apparently Chad Ford at ESPN is too.. maybe you should fire him off a letter and let him know just how delusional he is. And all those teams lining up at the door to inquire about Thomas .. send those guys letters too while your at it...
I think its funny everyone is just assuming that Splitter is going to to be good the moment he steps into the NBA
This is what is more likely going to be in store for Splitter when he comes to the NBA:
Spurs actually are a tweak or two from being a contender. But who really cares if they are championship contenders or not.. teams are still interested.. that's the point.Ya, the knicks, kings,spurs, and hornets are all knocking on the door for a championship with thomas's help..keep trying.
But your argument even fails in its own logic.. since the nuggets are looking at him as well... Now why would they be interested? Since they are a Top 3 team in the west right now.
So rather than a top 3 big man in Europe, you'd rather take your chances with some kid who went to his senior prom 14 months ago, or a 6-8 former lottery pick who isn't getting any kind of extension offer from a team who invested a lot of time and money into him? Okay.I think its funny everyone is just assuming that Splitter is going to to be good the moment he steps into the NBA
This is what is more likely going to be in store for Splitter when he comes to the NBA:
Thomas has proven his effectiveness already. In the playoffs. Against a mighty celtics squad. What has Splitter proven so far? Other than he's a flake who likes to change his mind alot? Sorry, but I'll take the proven player NOW not something unproven next year.
Thomas wouldn't be on the table AT ALL if not for the surprise development of Taj Gibson who is a much cheaper option. And he probably would be still starting and everything hunky dorry with him and Chi-town if there were no significant free agents available this upcoming summer like Bron, Bosh and Wade.
The bulls saw an opportunity to cut themselves a chance at an opportunity for one of these free agents. That is the ONLY reason he is available for cheap right now.
These are good points.For those that are skeptical or that thumb their noses at this potential trade, I've got news for you. The Spurs ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE to winning a le, as currently constructed. In fact, the Spurs are YEARS AWAY.
Combine that with the fact that Manu is as good as gone this summer, and throw in the failed RJ trade, and this team is heading in the opposition direction - FAST. With the average age of this roster getting older, the only way to stave this off and improve the talent level is get younger.
Therefore, like it or not and whether anyone admits it or not - they already primed to start rebuilding. Adding Salmons and Thomas will help speed that process along.
Change is going to come. There's no way around it. I just want the FO to recognize what the changes entail and have a legitimate plan in place. In my opinion, trying to "save the season" is foolish at this point, though it seems like this is the position the FO is taking. In other words, they're showing desperation and panic. Then again, maybe not, because no trade has been made yet.
Anyway, what happens at the trade deadline could be huge for what steps the team takes going forward.
In my opinion, because big change is going happen no matter what, I think the FO needs to reexamine their focus and how to move forward.
I don't see Pop having the mindset to rebuild nor the patience. Like veterans, he's set in his ways. I think the best thing is for Pop to move to the FO permanently so he can focus on hanging out in Europe scouting talent and new grape varietals. I think a new coach is needed to actually implement a bunch of new players. I think Avery is already handpicked to be the successor and so I think he should start next year. This probably sounds controversial but I don't think it is. It's just an admission of where things are at and where things are going.
I generally agree with the whole "bird in the hand" theory, but what happens if the Spurs do get Thomas? Their options are working with him on an extension, or offering him the Qualifying Offer at the end of the season. If he becomes a restricted free agent, will the Spurs really match if some team goes after him with MLE type money to try to get a young big man? If he takes the QO, you have him for another year (at a somewhat hefty $6.25 million), but he's unrestricted at the end of that season.
That's why I view a Thomas trade as a rental, albeit a slightly better one than a veteran expiring contract. I'd rather sign Splitter for 3 or 4 years this offseason than have Thomas for 0.25 or 1.25 of a season. (That is, unless the Spurs FO REALLY likes Thomas for some reason, but I doubt it; at this point, I'd guess their at ude is more like, "he's probably worth a look.")
This. Splitter is a deal breaker with Chicago.
Go Spurs Go!
1) You got benched by a rookie, mostly because you are dumb and getting dumber?
Welcome to the Spurs.
2) You are an elite big, with a polished game that could easily be compared to Gasol (PAU gasol)?
Welcome to the Bulls.
You know nothing about Euroleague basketball.
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