Still the bulls
Looks like it would take expiring contracts with a number 1 pick, although you could argue the 2 number 2s are more valuable than a late number 1. If the Spurs are serious it probably would require Splitter rights.If the bulls declined that offer, why the would they accept the spurs offer. Hopefully this is true and the spurs will not have a chance for this trade to happen.
Not going to happen..No way they would have let Ian's contract expire without getting some kind of confirmation from Tiago 1st. I think we can close this thread now!!
I don't know if this is it, but if the right trade comes along I could see the spurs trading splitter.
He is not untouchable by any means.
The Blazers, with their infinite talent pool, and playoff-ready roster and STILL trying to improve and get better.
Meanwhile there are those who feel the Spurs, with their inferior roster of declining age, should stand pat. Take a boatload of cash into the summer and hope they'll be attract a limited number of free agents. Good luck with that strategy.
The only way the strategy of standing pat would really work out is if the spurs could somehow convince Jefferson that he is not in the teams plans and he was to opt out.
As of right now though the only promising thing about this offseason is the hope that Splitter comes over.
.......... Yeah Portland has really been tearing it up at the championship level. Oh, wait a minute..............
Man if the Spurs could land a combo of Salmons/Thomas for Bonner, Finley, Mason, etc. that would be great, the only thing is....there are tons of other teams out there who may have just a little more to offer...
Blazers are interested in Bulls' Thomas, source says
By Brian T. Smith
Columbian Staff Writer
Thursday, February 11, 2010
A league source confirmed to The Columbian on Thursday that the Portland Trail Blazers are highly interested in Chicago Bulls forward Tyrus Thomas.
The source said the Blazers' are intrigued by Thomas' youth and his shot-blocking abilities. In addition, Thomas would fit in well with Portland's timeline and current roster needs.
Yahoo! Sports originally reported that the Blazers offered either Steve Blake or Travis Outlaw — both of whom have expiring contracts — and two future second-round draft picks for Thomas. The Bulls reportedly declined the deal, though, because they want more value in return.
Thomas, a fourth-year forward out of Louisiana State, is averaging 8.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, 1.6 blocks and 1.1 assists for Chicago this season. He has only played in 27 games, though, due to an absence caused by a fractured radius in his left forearm.
Thomas' best season came in 2008-09, when he averaged 10.8 points, 6.4 rebounds and 1.9 blocks. He is averaging 7.8 points and 5.1 boards during his career.
The 6-foot-10, 225-pound Thomas is set to make $4.7 million this season. He will then become a restricted free agent. The Bulls hold a $6.2 million qualifying offer on Thomas in 2010-11.
The Blazers have long been interested in Thomas. Portland originally selected him with the fourth overall pick in the 2006 NBA Draft. But Thomas' draft rights were traded by the Blazers to the Bulls in exchange for the rights to LaMarcus Aldridge and Viktor Khryapa.
Should the Blazers acquire Thomas, he would likely provide Portland with the inside depth and toughness it has lacked since centers Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla were lost for the season due to knee injuries.
The Blazers (31-24) sit in eighth place in the Western Conference standings heading into the NBA All-Star break. Portland is ranked fourth out of five teams in the Northwest Division, five games behind first-place Denver.
The Blazers will have 25 games remaining after the break to make a playoff push. The team's chances should be bolstered by the expected return of injured All-Star guard Brandon Roy and Travis Outlaw.
http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/f...s-source-says/
People on this thread keep on saying there are no big trades available. Just look at what else Stein was suggesting.
Could SAS highjack that? I'd sure as try.5. Clippers-76ers
Los Angeles gets: Andre Iguodala, Samuel Dalembert
Philadelphia gets: Marcus Camby, Al Thornton, DeAndre Jordan, Rasual Butler, Mardy Collins, Ricky Davis
...
Would Philadelphia do it?
While the 76ers are looking to move their big contracts, they also want assets in return. In this case, they would get both cap relief and talent.
Thornton and Jordan could step in and help, now and down the road, and this trade would also knock an enormous amount of money off the payroll this summer when the contracts of Camby, Butler, Davis and Collins expire.
To make this deal work, the Sixers would have to waive three players from their current roster to accommodate the extra four players that are coming in the trade, but that's not impossible. They have a number of players with small, one-year deals they could waive.
Jefferson, Mahinmi, Bonner, Mason, Finley + 2010 1st & Maybe Splitter?
For
Iguolda , Dalembert, Carney?
PHI gets $10M worth of cap relief this year, and another $14 Million next year. They get Mahinmi, who's at least as good a prospect as Jordan, and a 2010 1st (note, Thornton is pretty damn close to being a bust. PER 11.9. Bad defensively. They wouldn't e trading him if they thought he would work out). They cut two less players, and get better players back. Maybe we have to send Splitter, maybe we don't. Either way, Iguolda >>> Jefferson, Dalembert gives us a center besides TD. And Carney + Haiston eat the spot minutes from Finley and Mason.
The Spurs can easily outdo the Blazers offer if they agree to take Salmons.
That sure would. If a trade goes down it will happen at the deadline. Bulls are just doing their due diligence and milking every ounce of value they can get til the last minute.
lol butthurt jackassWhy because I'm a jackass?Nice try.
that's about "get TT but don't offer a pick".Teams began to frequently call the Bulls about Tyrus Thomas' availability following his blow-up with Vinny Del Negro.
Chicago is determined to deal Thomas and are looking for expiring contracts and a 2010 or future first-round draft pick, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
The Bulls are also exploring ways to package Thomas with Kirk Hinrich.
Charlotte has offered Acie Law, Flip Murray and their 2010 first-round pick, a league executive said.
Portland has offered Steve Blake or Travis Outlaw, who are both expirings, along with two second round picks.
The New York Knicks, Sacramento Kings, San Antonio Spurs, Denver Nuggets and New Orleans Hornets are among the multiple teams who’ve spoken to Chicago about Thomas.
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv..._tyrus_thomas/
wake up guys. he will cost us our 2010 1st rounder at least. and as I said before, if he isn't worth this pick, forget the whole trade, because than the trade isn't worth to be even considered, considering our situation
I still think the Spurs could get around giving up a first rounder if they agree to take Salmons. I would think that Chicago covets the cap space more than they want the pick.
I would definitely be willing to give up a 1st..any player we draft will be a project anyways, I'd rather take the guy that was a high lottery pick at one point..
That's why you offer em Splitter's rights instead. If they're as stupid as some of the fans on this board they will bite on it.
Then when Splitter re-nigs on his supposed "promise" to come play in the NBA and instead plays out his full contract with TAU the spurs will still have two prospects (Salmons and Thomas)
I agree, this guy already has some experience under his belt, might as well get him instead of someone who going to take even longer to get it down.
I hate giving away first-rounders, absolutely hate it, but if the Spurs believe Splitter to be coming over and they can get a look at Thomas. . . those two combined with Hill, Blair and Hairston, would be plenty of developmental talent for next year.
Now, I don't think the first-rounder is a forgone conclusion if the Spurs take on Salmons and his salary. But if it is, it could very well be a future lottery-protected pick, as they might just assume not having to pay a first-rounder next year.
I really don't get the opposition to Thomas-Salmons, given the current state and trajectory this team's on, and the belief that it'd be better to stand pat; especially if all it will take is expirings that aren't the answer to what ails this team (short or long-term) and whose value only last as long as their expirings. I could understand the first-rounder giving some pause, but, again, it's not a forgone conclusion it's a necessity. (all these stories are straight deals for Thomas)
And even if Splitter's not believed to be coming over. . . I could probably pull the trigger on a future, protected, first-rounder (next year's pick wouldn't be on the table for me).
But we'll cross that bridge if it comes to it; if the the Spurs do the trade for Randolph, they can have the first-rounder (no questions asked).
Thomas is still a young and raw enough player, that he basically is an incoming lottery pick (only he's ready to play now), so giving up a pick that will probably fall around twenty and will likely be, as you say, a project, is a no-brainer. Really, there's nothing of real consequence or significance that the Spurs would have to give up in this trade.
Salmons makes (roughly) $5.4 million this season and $5.8 million next season, when his contract expires. That's reasonable. The problem is, his PER this season is in the 12 range, with Jefferson, to give you an indication of just how poorly he's played. Thomas' is in the 16 range. For comparisons sake, Blair is in the 17 range and McDyess in the 13 range. PER is obviously not bullet proof and it can't measure intangibles, IQ, etc., but this is a fairly good indication of how productive Thomas has been this season.
Salmons would be good insurance if Ginobili were to leave in the off season and even if he didn't, his salary simply takes Mason and Finley's space; which is a no brainer. The Spurs could have a three man win rotation, with Jefferson and occasionally rotate in Hill, with Bogans and Hairston providing the depth. Ideally, maybe the Spurs wanted to go even cheaper with Mason and Finley's spots, but Salmons doesn't make that much and it's only for a year. With as much uncertainty going forward as there is on the wings and as little production as the Spurs have gotten out of them this season, this trade is more than worthwhile.
The other thing I like about this trade, if it were to come to fruition, is it tightens up the rotation and provides clear role definition.
Starters: PF- Duncan, SF- Jefferson, C- McDyess, SG- Salmons, PG- Parker
Bench (rotation): SG- Ginobili, PF- Blair, PG/SG- Hill, PF- Thomas
Bench (out of rotation): SG- Bogans, C- Ratliff, SG/SF- Hairston
Inactive: C/PF- Mahinmi
Couldn't have said it better. I'll just add that the hidden caveat to all this is Tyrus Thomas gives Popovich a real small ball PF option instead of Finley and Jefferson. Cuz it seems pretty much a given that small ball is here to stay.
And if Thomas for whatever reason can't handle being coached (which seems unlikely given he'll have all of Duncan, McDyess, and Ratliff whispering in his ear) the spurs can either let him walk at the end of his contract or trade him for a piece the team needs. If there are this many suitors interested now there is sure to be a few down the road.
Another low IQ player on our team.. heck no.
Unless Jefferson goes, the Spurs shouldn't do this.
Exactly. If Thomas doesn't work out with the Spurs in a year, then he'll probably have significant resale value at the '11 trade deadline, for two reasons: 1) He's too tantalizing an athlete/raw talent for teams to pass up, 2) Unlike this season, when teams will have a (roughly) $6.2 million dollar qualifying offer to make to him (or not, but that would defeat the purpose of acquiring him in the first place), next season there is no financial commitment for the following season.
The one semi-concern here is the Spurs would be trading arguably their three best three-point shooters. In reality, Salmons is a comparable shooter to two of them, the Spurs aren't getting great shooting out of any of them currently and not one of them is entrenched in the rotation currently.
Talent, defensively and length-wise, the Spurs get significantly better.
If we get Salmons then it's even less likely Manu wil be here next year. And if that's the case, then if you're getting Salmons then you're also most likely going to be throwing Manu into the trade market, unless you think Salmons and TT are going to deliver us a le, which I think is crazy but some people think that. So then we get these guys and see what happens and then Manu walks without any compensation in the offseason. Not a great option in my opinion.
A thought about all of our expiring contracts - yes, these players are all basically mediocre, but in packaging so many of them we will be giving away a lot of the "corporate knowledge" needed to get through Pop's labrynthine system. So by getting rid of the majority of our bench who know the system, this trade then becomes a much bigger trade in the sense of how long it will take for the new players to acclimate, assuming they ever do. It's a chance that they won't ever fit in here with Pop.
Am I saying that Pop is ill suited for this transition? Yeah, pretty much. Unless there's a miracle and Manu regains his old form, Parker finds his focus, Tim moves laterally a lot quicker, and Jefferson starts to actually play then our window is closed. And I can't see Pop having the temperament, patience, or ability to work in a scenario where he actually has to coach young talent instead of having Larry Brown's son-in-law deal with them on the Toros.
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