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    I'm very certain that doesn't exist. Dont' worry about it. If you really start thinking about it logically the whole concept falls apart.
    So, do you believe in heaven then?

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    So, do you believe in heaven then?
    No. It's just as illogical as the concept of .

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    Right now, I'm kind of at a dark point of my life. With religion, I'm currently on the fence on whether to give Christianity another shot or if I should just give up on Christianity and religion in general and become an atheist.
    Why are you choosing only between these two?

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    Neither are something you can convince people of. You have faith or you don't pretty much.

    Just take your pick based on what you feel.

    Do you really believe in God?
    Do you just accept the world for what we can explain and pass on the existence of anything supernatural?

    I'll just say I don't think it's fair to blame God for not fixing all your troubles, especially if that's one of the reasons you're considering atheism.

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    Why the either/or. You have other options. You can just believe there is a God and nobody knows anymore about him/her/it than you do. Then feel free to be spiritual and develop your own tenets of faith for your church of one.

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    Why the either/or. You have other options. You can just believe there is a God and nobody knows anymore about him/her/it than you do. Then feel free to be spiritual and develop your own tenets of faith for your church of one.
    Theism, ladies and gentlemen. Or Agnostic Theism to be more specific, which is what I am.

    As some others have said, live your life well without knowingly or willingly harming others. Do what is right and try to be a moral human being. Pray or don't pray depending how you feel.

    At the end of the day, none of us will know until we die... and that's the unfortunate truth.

    But I do feel as if you're blaming God instead of blaming yourself. Nothing is handed to you on a silver platter, ever. Sure, people inherit money and have easier lives than others, but it's all about making the best out of your situation.

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    If you have anger and resentment towards God, it's kind of hard to be an atheist. Sounds more like you think God's a prick.

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    At the end of the day, none of us will know until we die... and that's the unfortunate truth.
    How will we know anything when we're dead?

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    It appears that your angry with God, based upon decisions which you have previously made, because God "allowed" you to do them. God is a God of free will and will not violate His principle of free will.

    Coming from an individual who has made poor choices in the past, it is important to accept responsibility for those decisions. After failed attempts to reconcile my past actions, I opened my heart and gave my life to Christ. Since this moment, my life has significantly changed, and I must say, for the better.

    I encourage you to seek Christ and His will for your life. The best the way to start would be to pray. You may also want to read the book of John.

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    Just be good. religion.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfu...=http%3A%2F%2F

    I listened to a lot of George Carlin... not just about religion, he discusses a lot of topics thorugh his rants and I found many of his thoughts eye opening.

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    Btw... I had this debate in my head when I was 10 years old and decided there is no god.

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    There's more than christian and atheist


    Go and drink 4 bottles of tussin without expectorant

    That question is the last thing you'll be concerned with
    LOL, not necessarily, about 6 years ago one of my friends whose life was not necessarily on the right track was tripping on Max Strength Coricidin, and a man appeared to him and beckoning him to follow him. That things would be better with him, etc. He quit doing drugs the next day, started studying religions to figure out which he wanted to follow (really really studying). He finally decided that for himself, a personal non-dogmatic approach to God, and spirituality were for him because he wanted a little from choice a and a little from choice b and didn't like all of one religion. I am not saying he is some sort of saint or anything, we still watch stupid movies, he still watches porn, but he is more at peace, going to grad school now to be a social worker (this coming from a guy who hated people except for the 2 or 3 he hung out with regularly).

    I don't know if God exists, its something I struggle mightily with. If someone asked me if I believe in God, I wanna say yes (if for no other reason, than for my family, kids especially), but I feel like I would be being intellectually dishonest with myself. My life was extremely similar to his and I have gone through a similar transformation using different means. Though his transformation is far more distinct because he was always disturbed and such, even as a kid. My transformation was only reverting back to the person I was when I was 18, with more experience and wisdom under my belt (I was responsible, smart, etc.).

    This started out as a joke about the drugs, but I guess it didnt end up that way. I don't know how this would even help you, but I hope it does.

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    Join the Church of the FSM. It's the only way to truly be ostracized by all religious groups simultaneously, which puts you in a pretty elite category.

    Actually, even better – adapt an existing religion and make it your own. Believe in Jesus, but make him a gay black woman. That takes balls. You have balls right?

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    I prayed to get laid by a supermodel and I didn't. That was it for me.

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    For me it's either atheist or Christian. Well, I guess maybe agnostic too. It's just kind of a problem because religion is a big deal in my family.
    It's just something you have to work out for yourself.

    See, religion was a big deal in my family too. Raised by a bible in one hand, a belt in the other. In a church praying every time the church was open.

    By the time I was 9 or 10, I figured out something just wasn't right about this . Something just didn't compute. So, I kind of got to doing "research" on the Christianity thing. By the time I was 15, I had concluded it was all bull . Something to "scare" the masses into being "believers". I was done with it.

    I can't tell you what route to take. All I can say is use your brain. Look around and study. Make up your own mind. You may not be able to live with your decision, if someone else makes up your mind for you. And to me, that is what Christianity is about....controlling your mind. Brainwashing if you will. IMO, it's why so many parents are controlling. They are believers. And believers are never happy until they can control everyone around them.

    Good luck. You may have to fight some battles if you go against the family. But listening to you now, I think you may have already figured it out, you just want someone to help you over the ledge.

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    Btw... I had this debate in my head when I was 10 years old and decided there is no god.

    This is part of the reason that I have a hard time believing in God. when I was 7 or 8 and learning about Greek mythology for the first time, specifically about whirlpools and how they thought it was because they angered Poseiden, yet we now know that it is hot water rising, and cold water falling at a fast rate. It seemed to me that they used religion to explain the "unexplainable." I even made the connection to my own religion. It seemed to me that it was just a way to explain the unexplainable, and that eventually when all of the mysteries of each religion are explained, that one too would fall to the status of mythology. At which point a new religion would arise from the void to explain the new mysteries. I did, however shelve that thought until I was 15 when I actively started thinking about it and quit having any interest in religion because of it (deciding I was an atheist 1 week after my confirmation ) . One of the reasons that I try to keep up appearances for my kids is that I think I was raised quite well, and I was raised on religion (as well as the encouragement of intellectual curiosity), and I want my kids to have the same chance to choose. I most certainly don't want to belittle it because it would be enforcing my biases upon them instead of allowing them to choose.

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    Right now, I'm kind of at a dark point of my life. With religion, I'm currently on the fence on whether to give Christianity another shot or if I should just give up on Christianity and religion in general and become an atheist. One of my new year's resolutions for 2010 was to figure this out by the end of the year. In my past especially when I was younger, I was a very loyal and faithful Christian but certain things happened and made me constantly doubt and question Christianity and God. Some of you are probably going to tell me shut the up or stop being a pussy or crying but I'm only asking for you guys to hear me out on this before you judge. Lately, I just don't see the point of beliving in God and Christianity. I think about it a lot too. I will admit that I have a lot of anger and resentment toward God about some things. I just need some input on this. So if you have any compelling arguments for either side, I would like to hear them.
    why because god controls your life?
    i think your life is all you(it may be influenced) but ultimately its all you...so do what you feel is right for you

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    Shut the up, pussy crying . Spirituality is a personal, individual experience. You can't or shouldn't ask people to make the decision for you. Some people need "god" more than others. There's also a middle ground between the extremes, a "maybe so" or more closer to my heart, a "who gives a ?"

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    Also, if you admit that you have a lot of anger and resentment towards god, you couldn't possibly consider being athiest.

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    LoL @ UTSA having their annual atheist rally yesterday!!!


    Let go, let God!!!

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    If you're really serious about it, find a priest or pastor to speak to. You might be surprised how many of them have dealt with the same struggles in their faith.

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    he answered your prayers.

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    It seemed to me that they used religion to explain the "unexplainable."
    This. At least at the start... later on it became a great tool for controling people and keeping them from killing their lords.

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    Become an atheist. We need more people to laugh at all the adults with imaginary friends.

    (Jay kay guys)

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