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  1. #3176
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    you're talking about grand pa tony playing for the Hornets ? if Messi goes to LA Galaxy at 40 and won ... I swear I won't use that as an argument against him tbh.. I hope you don't compare prime Messi winning with the mighty Argentina with Tony TOSB version winning with Hornets.. even though with tony playing Charlotte has a winning record
    So, not all his teams? Gotcha.

  2. #3177
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    But but aguero, higuin, otomendi, tialafico etc are so bad.

    All these guys immediately had career years in 2018 after the wc
    WTF, come on buddy that's simply not true.

    Aguero has been great but Otamendi is finished, Higuain has been a flop at Chelsea considering the expectation and I do like tialafico but he's not going to wn you a WC.

    Aguero should've played MUCH more in the last WC, the coaching staff Argentina gets is always crap since Sabella.

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    o

  4. #3179
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    Another year, another choke

  5. #3180
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    Dembele blew it imo

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    Downgraded to PETER.

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    Obvioulsy fingers will point to Messi, but the dude provided two goals and countless other assists to finish the series off (Dembele ). Of course he deserves some blame, like every member of the squad, but a 3 goals difference should be enough for a defense and midfield to hold on, tbh.

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    Obvioulsy fingers will point to Messi, but the dude provided two goals and countless other assists to finish the series off (Dembele ). Of course he deserves some blame, like every member of the squad, but a 3 goals difference should be enough for a defense and midfield to hold on, tbh.
    Literally nobody points the finger at the fraudulent midget. He chokes time and time again and media continues to give him a pass. The guy hasn't won a CL in 7 years for s sake and suffers no backlash because of it, his reputation remains intact after numerous choke jobs.

    On the other hand, people have short memory when it comes to Ronaldo for some reason. He's only as good as his last trophy win.

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    Midget

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    Dembele had the miss of the series but that miss by Messi today in the first half was his biggest choke in his career.

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    Outside of Catalunya the Midget is a pathetic worm

    Even in his homeland Argentina this midget is barely a poor man's Juan Cuadrado. Always has been always will be

  13. #3188
    Dembele had the miss of the series but that miss by Messi today in the first half was his biggest choke in his career.
    Was it the 4 vs. 1 when Van Dijk took it from him? That was a shockingly poor decision by Messi..

  14. #3189
    Messi really does benefit greatly from the nou camp staduim. A study needs to be done on his performances in Bigger fields vs Smaller fields.

    He's unstoppable in fields that are big but struggled in congested fields like anfield and rome.

    Its sad soccer is not as advanced i this metrics.

    I am willing to bet the difference between his performances in smaller fields is dramatically worse.

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    2016
    Barcelona - Atlético Madrid 2:1
    Atleti - Barça 2:0, Messi does nothing

    2017
    Juventus - Barça 3:0
    Barça - Juve 0:0
    Messi does nothing in both games

    2018
    Barça - Roma 4:1
    Roma - Barça 3:0, Roma avances on away goals, Messi does nothing

    2019
    Barça - Liverpool 3:0
    Liverpool - Barça 4:0, Messi does nothing

    Messi dribbles better than Cristiano, yes, but Cris would absolutely make goals in several of those second leg games.

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    Barcelona - Atlético Madrid 2:1
    Atleti - Barça 2:0, Messi does nothing

    2017
    Juventus - Barça 3:0
    Barça - Juve 0:0
    Messi does nothing in both games

    2018
    Barça - Roma 4:1
    Roma - Barça 3:0, Roma avances on away goals, Messi does nothing

    2019
    Barça - Liverpool 3:0
    Liverpool - Barça 4:0, Messi does nothing

    Messi dribbles better than Cristiano, yes, but Cris would absolutely make goals in several of those second leg games.
    And yet Ronaldo has been at home this whole time

  17. #3192
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    And yet Ronaldo has been at home this whole time
    No player always win and it's a team game. Check out the second Juve - Ajax game, Cristiano did make a goal. He played great in the 3:0 comeback vs Atlético Madrid.

    Cristiano was decisive in all five Champions runs the United and Madrid won with him.

  18. #3193
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    No player always win and it's a team game. Check out the second Juve - Ajax game, Cristiano did make a goal. He played great in the 3:0 comeback vs Atlético Madrid.

    Cristiano was decisive in all five Champions runs the United and Madrid won with him.
    As was Messi during his CL runs with his team.

    Difference is that when Ronaldo doesn't show up his teammates can step up like they do in the Final.

    When Messi is merely "OK" Barca have no one else that does anything.

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    As was Messi during his CL runs with his team.

    Difference is that when Ronaldo doesn't show up his teammates can step up like they do in the Final.

    When Messi is merely "OK" Barca have no one else that does anything.
    Barça came flat at the Anfield, well it was never easy to play there. Liverpool has 5 champions too.

    Suárez is immensely talented. Dembele and Coutinho are a bit disappointing but otherwise top players. Rakitic and Vidal are extremely good midfielders too. On defense, they have Semedo, Piqué, Busquets, great team really at all positions.

    How is it possible they lose against the Liverpool side, without Salah and Firmino. With an 3:0, that's practically insurmountable lead. They just got scared imo.

  20. #3195
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    Barça came flat at the Anfield, well it was never easy to play there. Liverpool has 5 champions too.

    Suárez is immensely talented. Dembele and Coutinho are a bit disappointing but otherwise top players. Rakitic and Vidal are extremely good midfielders too. On defense, they have Semedo, Piqué, Busquets, great team really at all positions.

    How is it possible they lose against the Liverpool side, without Salah and Firmino. They just got scared imo.
    The first half was good but the second half was pathetic. But maybe Barca need to clean house this summer. De Jong and De Ligt will help.

    Desperately need a Suarez replacement.

    Barca's mentality in away matches is pitiful.

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    Messi still gets no blame? His mentality is so weak as you saw after every goal they conceded. Compare that to Ronaldo, who is encouraging his teammates and just making stuff happen afterwards. Nothing you can take away from him.

  22. #3197
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    Barca fans insulting Messi, the guy that's basically responsible of 80-90% of their history.

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    As I said he's basically Juan Cuadrado when it matters most

    He's basically the Joel Embid of CL

  24. #3199
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    Messi still gets no blame? His mentality is so weak as you saw after every goal they conceded. Compare that to Ronaldo, who is encouraging his teammates and just making stuff happen afterwards. Nothing you can take away from him.
    Ronaldo sulks and pouts constantly, Ramos was always the leader of those Madrid squad as good as Ronaldo was.

    Where was Ronaldo's encouragement when they got knocked out by Ajax? He was pouting and flailing around when his team was getting their asses kicked

    Messi was comfortably the best player for Barca yesterday literally EVERY CHANCE they had was thanks to him. I think the players do deserve some of the blame for yesterday's fiasco. Messi is their best player and the ship goes down with him. But he's far from the biggest point of blame for the debacle. Valverde and the whole backline was laughable. I mean that fourth goal FFS

  25. #3200
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    Messi is the WIFI that only works at Camp Nou tbh

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