Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

[Wild Cobra]

Why can't America do a better job on immigration? Why is it so hard?

It isn't hard at all. Politicians simply want more illegal voters to keep liberal control of congress.

And why is a country racist when they get tough on immigration?

It's the liberals accusing conservative of racism anytime we want to stop it. There is nothing racist about wanting to control immigration.

Sometimes I think that America should be like North Korea on people crossing the borders illegally. That might scare people into thinking twice about crossing the borders illegally here.

What I find ironic is that the president of Mexico calls our practices barbaric, racist, etc. I guess he know most people in the world don't know their practices on their southern border.

[Wild Cobra]

Chumpdumper, yeah that's exactly what I'm saying.

Can you not detect sarcasm?

Forget Chump. He does all he can to twist a persons meaning just to sidetrack an issue. You're best off to ignore the asshole. In any other forum I have been in, he would be banned.

[ChumpDumper]

It isn't hard at all. Politicians simply want more illegal voters to keep liberal control of congress.

Tell us all how many illegal voters there are.

[George Gervin's Afro]

It isn't hard at all. Politicians simply want more illegal voters to keep liberal control of congress.

It's the liberals accusing conservative of racism anytime we want to stop it. There is nothing racist about wanting to control immigration.

What I find ironic is that the president of Mexico calls our practices barbaric, racist, etc. I guess he know most people in the world don't know their practices on their southern border.

Illegals can't vote

[mexpurs21]

What I find ironic is that the president of Mexico calls our practices barbaric, racist, etc. I guess he know most people in the world don't know their practices on their southern border.

Could you describe what racist practice is supported by President Calderon??

[Wild Cobra]

Illegals can't vote

Sure they do.

Do you have to "show your papers" when you vote?

You don't have a measurable crime when the law isn't enforced.

[Wild Cobra]

Could you describe what racist practice is supported by President Calderon??

I'm not saying he is a racist, I'm saying he's a lying hypocrite.

[ElNono]

Sure they do.
Do you have to "show your papers" when you vote?
You don't have a measurable crime when the law isn't enforced.

You're not asked for identification when you vote?
How many illegal aliens you know cast a vote?

[Jacob1983]

So the question is should people be allowed to cross into a country illegally? Yes or no?

[mexpurs21]

I'm not saying he is a racist, I'm saying he's a lying hypocrite.

That's a typical statement from an unknowledgeable American to Mexico, just throwing accusations without supporting them.

[mexpurs21]

So the question is should people be allowed to cross into a country illegally? Yes or no?

no!!!

[ElNono]

So the question is should people be allowed to cross into a country illegally? Yes or no?

The answer to that question is a resounding no.
But this legislation does absolutely nothing to address that question.
Which is exactly why it's being criticized.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Sure they do.

Do you have to "show your papers" when you vote?

You don't have a measurable crime when the law isn't enforced.

Anyone who votes without ID or a voter registration card is reviewed individually against voter regsitration rolls.... so no, illegals can't cast a vote...

[ChumpDumper]

WC, tell us how many illegal immigrant votes were cast in the 2008 election.

Show us your proof.

[jack sommerset]

Most people support the bill.

[superjames1992]

mother ers. I love Arizona Ice Tea and now I'm gonna have to boycott that . Anybody know other non-arizona options?

That tea is made in New York, but feel free to boycott those Yankees if you'd like.

[superjames1992]

I've read through most to the posts and so far I'm still undecided about what to really do about this situation. And I do agree that this, as with many other laws being passed recently, could be viewed as "slippery slope" situations.

On the one hand we have a state that is one of the biggest if not the biggest entry point for illegals in this country. Though I'm sure that their cheap labor has resulted in lower prices to a certain degree I'll also be willing to bet that the social costs...ie...crime. hospital. educational..etc...and the resulting increases in taxes to provide those services would probably be greater but haven't seen any research on this subject so it's MHO. It seems that the majority of the citizens in AZ are fed up with illegal immigration and want to do something about it. And frankly I can't blame them and what do you think the love ones and friends of Rob Krentz feel at this moment concerning illegals(assuming that he was indeed shot and kiiled by an illegal alien and possible drug smuggler, which hasn't been determined from what I was able to read)?
Should the citizens of AZ just endure this and wait for the Feds to finally do something? Or do they have a right to dictate what goes on in their state and especially how it effects their lives and personal safety?

But on the other hand it is a situation that will most likely lead to abuse and the law being misinterpreted. Though the law specially states that profiling can't be used you can bet it will be. It's only human nature for it to be used. IMO What is the percentile of Hispanics crossing the border into AZ illegally? Would you think it is extremely high, say 80 - 90+ %? I would think it very high and if I was a law enforcement person and I saw a bus load of Hispanic looking people who upon seeing me started to avoid me like the plague I probably would start paying close atention to their actions. Is that profiling or just common sense? I'm sure many will come down on both sides of the issue.

So to me their is ambiguity in this law that needs further defining. Maybe the way to do that would be for cases to hit the courts and the judges stepping in and defining this. And I do believe that American citizens of Hispanic ethnicity will be pulled over, questioned, in some cases harrassed, other cases arrested and jailed and horror stories will certainly come forth. But how does a society come up with laws that are fair, protect all citizens cons utional rights and confront the issue adequately without anyone being ill effected by it's implementation? Come up with that answer and you can pretty much write your own ticket in politics.

So on the one hand I see citizens of AZ fed up and trying to do something but on the other hand passing a law that will most certainly lead to abuse of the cons utional rights of a particular segment American citizens.

One way to deflect some of the criticism would be for the state of AZ to hire and/or promote from within more Hispanic Americans to help in enforcing this new law. Expect a Hispanic American to be put in charge or be the face of AZ's atttempt to implement this new law.

This is a great post and basically defines how I view the law.

Why can't America do a better job on immigration? Why is it so hard? And why is a country racist when they get tough on immigration? Sometimes I think that America should be like North Korea on people crossing the borders illegally. That might scare people into thinking twice about crossing the borders illegally here.

Because all both parties are concerned about is getting elected. The Republicans are afraid of the backlash that this sort of reform will have and are afraid of losing the Hispanic vote (those they already lose most of it, as it is now, anyways).

And the liberals want more votes, so they want amnesty for illegals because the majority of those are going to vote for Democrats.

It's really sick that neither party is actually concerned about the illegal immigrants and they people they affect. It's all about money and power, as most things are.

[admiralsnackbar]

And the liberals want more votes, so they want amnesty for illegals because the majority of those are going to vote for Democrats.

That would be brilliant strategy if the illegals were allowed to vote, but that is never going to happen. Their children may vote if they are born here, but green-card carriers (like my dad) cannot vote.

[superjames1992]

That would be brilliant strategy if the illegals were allowed to vote, but that is never going to happen. Their children may vote if they are born here, but green-card carriers (like my dad) cannot vote.

You are correct, but that's why they want amnesty for illegals. Then they'll be legal citizens and will have every right to vote.

[smeagol]

As long as America continues to be super rich and a bunch of countries, super poor, people will continue risking their lives to find a better future in America.

No law is going to stop that.

[jack sommerset]

That's not true. If they can't make any money they won't come here.

[admiralsnackbar]

That's not true. If they can't make any money they won't come here.

Please say more.

[jack sommerset]

Please say more.

Okay. LMFAO @ people boycotting Arizona!!!!!! Especially the mayor of San Fransico. They can't spend money in their own state let alone anyone elses.

[ElNono]

That's not true. If they can't make any money they won't come here.

And this legislation prevents them from making money how exactly?

[jack sommerset]

And this legislation prevents them from making money how exactly?

I never said it did.