Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

[George Gervin's Afro]

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It's ok to admit jackie that you don't know... it's obvious from your posts here there are LOTS of things you don't know

[ChumpDumper]

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Damn jack, now you are going out of your way to not answer questions that you were not asked.

[Winehole23]

I mean, if you're accusing me of making those statements, it's because I'm suffering from schizophrenia or you're a pathological liar.

Thematic false choice: only one of us here is the bad guy.

mogrovejo says this repeatedly. Either I have gone crazy or you are.

[Winehole23]

What's odd to me is the frequency of the wager.

[Winehole23]

Like it hasn't even occurred to him he might occasionally be wrong about not being crazy himself. (Or about some other jackass occasionally being right.)

[superjames1992]

This is the way it looks with the new amendment made to the bill.

11-1051. Cooperation and assistance in enforcement of immigration laws; indemnification

A. No official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may limit or restrict the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.

B. For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state where reasonable su ion exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have the person's immigration status determined before the person is released. The person's immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Cons ution. A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:

1. A valid Arizona driver license.

2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.

3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.

4. If the en y requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.

[Yonivore]

Good for her!

[ChumpDumper]

I'm laughing.

[Winehole23]

B. For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state where reasonable su ion exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.

This basically transfers immigration enforcement responsibility to Arizona LE for all lawful stops. Maybe this is a shot over the bow of the AZ sheriff who recently said he wouldn't enforce the new law.

Any person who is arrested shall have the person's immigration status determined before the person is released.

There it is right there.

[Winehole23]

Thanks for the update, superjames1992.

Have you got a link to that? I'm curious about the indemnification.

[ChumpDumper]

What is reasonable su ion?

[Winehole23]

If the post is veracious, it doesn't matter. For every custodial situation, immigration status shall be determined.

[Winehole23]

I hope Arizona has ready means to pay for it. It won't be cheap, if the problem is as large as advertised.

[ChumpDumper]

If the post is veracious, it doesn't matter. For every custodial situation, immigration status shall be determined.

That's fine. Can't say I mind that too much. It's the noncustodial situations I'm asking about.

[Winehole23]

Will Arizonans accept higher taxes, to reflect the new burdens they put on AZ state law enforcement?

[Winehole23]

That's fine. Can't say I mind that too much. It's the noncustodial situations I'm asking about.

Discretion of the officer, as asserted on oath. As ever.

[Wild Cobra]

To be honest, if an American can get his house cleaned by an illegal, should that be considered wrong on an ethical/moral scale? Getting your house cleaned for as cheaply as you can is part of capitalism, after all.

True to a point.

It's not the job of the person whose house is being cleaned to verify citizenship papers.

Not citizenship, but there is a point in cost that when you employ someone, the law requires you to report it. At this point, you need proof of legal work status. A social security number or other legal tax ID number. The worker is suppose to report the wages and pay taxes and SS and medicare as well.

Working under the table is illegal. Both parties can get in trouble.

Besides, how would you even take something like that to court? "Sir, he showed me papers, I thought he was legal." "Oh... well... uh... case dismissed."

Igtnorance to the law is not a defense.

The only way to implement something like this would be to hit larger companies that pay workers under the table.

Absolutely. Their CEO's, or who ever is authorizing such actions, should be jailed.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm all for immigration reform, but this law is bull because I'm an American and I'm brown.

No need to fear the new law. If an officer wants to stop you for something because of skin color, this isn't going to give him any more authority than he already has. You're crazy if you think it's going to increase the number of police who abuse their power. If anything, it will expose those who are racist, and get them booted.

[Yonivore]

I hope Arizona has ready means to pay for it. It won't be cheap, if the problem is as large as advertised.

They've already stopped or arrested, where's the additional cost?

[Wild Cobra]

Why not simply make all immigration legal then? That seems to be the easiest way to solve the problem of illegal immigration if the problem is indeed the "illegal".

Right.

Once you do that, how will this nation support a surge of all those from all over the world coming here. You would increase the flow to an overwhelming extent. That is why any talk of amnesty is immediately firmly resisted. That talk alone starts a march here so they can be here when amnesty takes effect.

Immigration needs to be controlled for several reasons. Nobody in their right mind will support amnesty either. Do it right, get in line like legal immigrants do.

[Wild Cobra]

This is the way it looks with the new amendment made to the bill.

4. If the en y requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.

Looks like Oregon driver licenses don't count.

[Wild Cobra]

Will Arizonans accept higher taxes, to reflect the new burdens they put on AZ state law enforcement?

I would think the tax burden would go down as the social system supporting illegal immigrants gets less pressure.

[Winehole23]

They've already stopped or arrested, where's the additional cost?

Jail, criminal process and prison?

[Winehole23]

I would think the tax burden would go down as the social system supporting illegal immigrants gets less pressure.

Could be. Is there any foreseeable downside to AZ deporting illegal immigrants on masse, in your opinion?

[Wild Cobra]

Could be. Is there any foreseeable downside to AZ deporting illegal immigrants on masse, in your opinion?

Nothing bad enough to worry about that I can think of.