Not any worse than "It's just a piece of tissue.."What I am is as irrelevant as that you don't look to the mainstream media for anything.
The mainstream media and the administration worked hard to try and make the Tea Party protests into something they weren't.
I expect they'll do exactly the same thing here.
My favorite mainstream media disconnect, so far:
"Law makes it a crime to be an illegal alien"
Oh I think it's very relevant and the fact that you don't want to answer is even more telling.
So again I ask, are you outraged that Tea Party Protestors are holding up swastikas and images of Obama/Hitler just like the guy who wrote the article you linked to is outraged that the anti-Arizona immigration law protestors are carrying swastikas?
Why? I'm not outraged by either.
The question was, and remains, are those that were "outraged" by the few Tea Party idiot going to be as "outraged" by the immigrant idiots?
I'm betting not.
The media did all it could to avoid showing the Tea Party movement as it predominantly exists, a good cross-section of Americans fed up with government overreach by both parties.
Nope. And, I'm not outraged by the immigrant idiots either. Like I said, I'm wondering if the President, other Democrats, and the media that spent weeks harping on the patriotism of ALL Tea Party protesters, over the acts (some imagined) of a few.
That's the question. What you or I think about it, isn't important.
Actually Fox News did everything it could to sponsor the Tea Party, so your assertion that the media is avoiding it is moot.
So let me get this straight, on the one part you say that the Tea Party predominantly exists as a good cross section of America, all the while criticizing the media for portraying the Tea Party protestors in a wrong light.
Then in the same post you say the "immigrant idiots" and link to a website showing what is probably a small minority of the "immigrant idiots" who hold up Nazi signs and pinata effigies.
So you criticize the media for generalizing on the tea party protesters, yet generalize the immigrant protesters as "idiots" and link a website that shows extreme acts and also generalizes?
Except of course that the tea party idea is supported by numerous influential Republicans, and I don't know of any Dems beating up pinatas.
I don't think the argument is over having a drivers license, but instead having one that shows that one is a United States citizen.
[email protected] the MSNBC liberal . What is MSNBC going to have next as a headline? "Smoking is bad"? "24 hours in a day"? "Water when frozen is ice"?
If you are from another country and you are in America and don't have the proper do ents and/or I.D. that say you're here legally then yeah you're breaking the law. Either deport their asses or make them legal. One of the two.
My understanding of the law (from reading the text) is that if the person queried by law enforcement presents a valid driver's license or state ID, the person is presumed to be in the United Stated lawfully.
My problem with the law is I don't know how you satisfy the reasonable su ion standard, necessary to start the determination of citizenship, without engaging in some form of racial profiling. I don't know how you get specific and articulable facts about whether someone is here lawfully just by talking to them or observing them.
Also, the "lawful contact" standard is very broad. An officer can basically just walk up to you and start talking to you. And if you stay there willingly talking to the officer, that's "lawful contact."
Just for reference -
That's the same issue I have with it, besides the fact that it's just very impracticle. I have a friend in SA that can trace his roots to Tejanos that fought at the Alamo. I'm just a 4th generation Euro import, so I'm certainly no more American than he is. These people don't want illegals here by the millions any more than anyone else -- our system can't bear the burden. What we need to do is secure our borders and figure out a way to make those already here tax-paying American citizens.
the obvious solution to any reasonable human being, Democrat or Republican, knows that the best and most effective way to stop illegal immigration is to secure the border. Even as what most would consider a Democrat I'd be OK with taking measures as drastic as needed to secure the border, whether it be an electrically charged fence or a mine field, anything that does the job. Given the growing MS-13 influence in this country and the fact the MS-13's have connections to Al-Queda, border security should be a MUCH bigger issue than tracking down illegals in this country, both at the state and federal level.
Once an illegal gets in this country it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack in addition to it being a financial drain on the country to have to jail, provide a public defender and put an illegal through the court process every time one is caught. This bill is also gonna make the job of cops impossible to have to respond to real crime AND interrogate every single person they see that fits the bills' criteria as a possible illegal. Moronic on so many levels, but idk what else to expect from a governor that doesn't even have a 4 year bachelors' degree.
Police do this all the time for all sorts of things.
But you know what I enjoy? Having to go register at a police station whenever I change addresses when I live abroad or get deported.
America's immigration policies have nothing on the rest of the worlds.
reality is that starting an investigation on someone's status is a lot of work. Let's say officer gets approached by these 2 guys and neither is able to show a valid AZ id:
who do you think the officer chooses to start investigating???
(remember an average officer has 45 minutes between donnut breaks to do actual work)
I hope this guy shows up in an Arizona town soon
Yes, they do, but it's one thing to say a suspect appeared to be intoxicated, was driving a vehicle used during the commission of the offense, smelled of marijuana, fit the description of a suspect, was seen leaving a known drug house, etc. It's another to try and articulate your reasons for having su ions about a seemingly imperceptible legal status just from talking to or observing a person.
My concern is that you'll get reasons such as a suspect doesn't speak English or had a certain appearance. which could lead to profiling.
he was brown, short, wore a wedge haircut with a rat-tail, wore lizard skin boots and matching belt, and los bukis was blaring from his removable-face alpine car stereo.
Well, I think all of those are already crimes in and of themselves.
fashion crimes aren't a deportable offense, ask chingo bling.
We can't even keep drugs out of our borders.
Once an illegal gets in this country it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack in addition to it being a financial drain on the country to have to jail, provide a public defender and put an illegal through the court process every time one is caught. This bill is also gonna make the job of cops impossible to have to respond to real crime AND interrogate every single person they see that fits the bills' criteria as a possible illegal. Moronic on so many levels, but idk what else to expect from a governor that doesn't even have a 4 year bachelors' degree.
I still don't know how I feel about this. I need to actually have the law in front of me and understand it to make a final decision.
The good that can come out of the law (whether or not its an acceptable law to the country) is that maybe the right wing resurgence, combined with the expected minority backlash, can somehow convince congress to actually DO SOMETHING about our ing border.
But that won't happen.
Instead we will get the democrats pandering to the discriminated mexican for minority votes, and the republican will do the same for white votes.
We're witnessing a quick resurgence of the polarization of race in our country. Obama and the Dems sticking up for the Mexicans with no real reason other than wanting their votes is just going to make it even worse.
Why does this country have to keep kicking the can down the road for every possible ing issue? It makes me sick. Nothing ever gets done in this broken country, and our elected leaders will never make progress on any issue, polarize and divide the country in the process so strongly, and the results are going to be devastating.
Study after study shows that immigrants pay more in taxes and social security than they take out, this isn't about economics, this is about hating brownie and keeping brownie from crossing the border and eventually voting Democrat...
It's ing simple.
The LARGEST, SIGNIFICANTLY LARGEST, people coming into America illegally = mexicans.
If you look mexican and you are a citizen, you have nothing to worry about. A cop stops you, just pull out your drivers license and . I have carried my license and my social security card in my wallet since I was 18.
NO ING PROBLEM.
these got bleeding hearts
"OH NAO, A POLICE STOPPED ME AND ASKED FOR MY ID!!!! I ING FEEL HURT AND I WANNA CRY, MY RIGHTS IS VIOLATED!"
don't the cops ALREADY pull you over for WHATEVER THE THEY WANT when you are in your vehicle?
jesus h christ.
what a bunch of bull .
This law is exactly what we need. a Big can of RAID SPRAY to scatter all these ing roaches in our country. get the out and come back LEGALLY.
what if you forget your wallet? "I was born in East L.Aaaaaaaa!!!!"
apparently, MiamiHeat likes government intrusion into his everyday life.
As has already been pointed out in this thread, neither of those do ents prove citizenship. You would need to have a birth certificate and/or passport with you.
Every day.
Ready to show at a moment's notice.
Been doing that since you were 18, too?
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