Could it happen here?

[word]

Never read Palins book, can't stand her. I might peruse it if I can find it for a couple of bucks.

I highlighted it because of your statement this immigration debate was not about 'reconquista' and eluded to Bill O'reilly for some reason then...said something that certainly infers it IS about 'reconquista' or whatever ..

we've been americans since that pussy santa ana ran for his life and gave up this land.

This certainly has the 'ring' of 'you stole our land' to it...

YOU GRINGOS...YOU STOLE OUR LAND ....

yeah right, and lets see...your heritage, unless you are 100% native ..is of one Hernan Cortez, mother er....

Your forefathers have been 'stealing land' for about 500 years. Don't play that victim card with me you little midget .

[panic giraffe]

i'm sorry, since when did "this" mean "mine"?

god you're ignorant, no wonder you would waste 2 bucks that would be better spent on a tug job from your mom on palins book.

"has a ring"? drawing straws my friend.

i never said i was 100% native or even completely of the western hemisphere, i just said my family has been in the us for as long as texas has been a state of the union, and has volunteered for every war this country has fought since then.

midget ?... racist much? just running on stereotypes of speedy gonzales i see.

for someone who claims to read, you sure have a of a problem with comprehension.

[word]

'...we've been americans since that pussy santa ana ran for his life and gave up this land.'

I'll say this, you sure do know how to dance....

THIS IS OUR LAND...GRINGOS STOLE OUR LAND !!! SANTA ANA GAVE IT UP ESE...IT WAS STOLEN !!

Your family, your forefathers, have been stealing land for 500 years. You are not a victim. You have not been oppressed. You are the oppressor, not the oppressed. Montezuma did not speak spanish. Montezuma was not a christian.
Your forefathers were some of the biggest slave traders in history. You are not a victim. You are a victimizer. The Mayans were not Catholic. Hitler was an amateur compared to your forefathers.

[word]

Dance mother er, dance !!!!

[panic giraffe]

'...we've been americans since that pussy santa ana ran for his life and gave up this land.'

I'll say this, you sure do know how to dance....

THIS IS OUR LAND...GRINGOS STOLE OUR LAND !!! SANTA ANA GAVE IT UP ESE...IT WAS STOLEN !!

Your family, your forefathers, have been stealing land for 500 years. You are not a victim. You have not been oppressed. You are the oppressor, not the oppressed. Montezuma did not speak spanish. Montezuma was not a christian.
Your forefathers were some of the biggest slave traders in history. You are not a victim. You are a victimizer. The Mayans were not Catholic. Hitler was an amateur compared to your forefathers.

i'm not catholic. another stereotype, eh?
the spanish side of my family is Sephardi, so i really appreciate the hitler comparison. the native side of my family were decedents of the aztec not the mayans, but you don't even know the difference between a frenchman and a spaniard, so i wouldn't expect that from you. (so why would you even know that moctezuma II was aztec and not mayan, then again you probably also walk around calling thai people japs at the level of ignorance you're showing)
when did i say land was stolen? lost in a war doesn't mean stolen, i just called santa ana a pussy for giving it up in exchange for keeping his life. if i was a general and an occupying force told me i could either live or leave, i would choose die to send the right message for my troops.

[angrydude]

'...we've been americans since that pussy santa ana ran for his life and gave up this land.'

I'll say this, you sure do know how to dance....

THIS IS OUR LAND...GRINGOS STOLE OUR LAND !!! SANTA ANA GAVE IT UP ESE...IT WAS STOLEN !!

Your family, your forefathers, have been stealing land for 500 years. You are not a victim. You have not been oppressed. You are the oppressor, not the oppressed. Montezuma did not speak spanish. Montezuma was not a christian.
Your forefathers were some of the biggest slave traders in history. You are not a victim. You are a victimizer. The Mayans were not Catholic. Hitler was an amateur compared to your forefathers.

go look up the right of conquest .

And by your logic the indians should have been happy to accept all the Europeans into their land without doing anything to stop it. Look where that got them.

[word]

yeah I know montezuma wasn't mayan...

You so victim.

And this, is just classic....

i would choose die

.

Now, I'm sure you don't have that in you but it once again, shows how you feel about it all. DAMN THAT SANTA ANA....HE SHOULD HAVE CHOSE DEATH SO WE KEPT FIGHTING AGAINST THOSE GRINGOS !!!

haha...but I like how you RAN, without haste, to the victim side of your heritage.

Just for the record, I had nothing to do with it.

[word]

go look up the right of conquest .

And by your logic the indians should have been happy to accept all the Europeans into their land without doing anything to stop it. Look where that got them.

You're confused. Not justifying it. I'm saying most 'Mexicans'...with Spanish blood in them, and especially those with 100% spanish blood, ARE the oppressors. What I find laughable is Hispanic nutjobs trying to pull off some victim status like the Irish or Germans came into the American Southwest and central and south America and conquered a bunch of land and killed and oppressed millions of people.

This victim status of hispanics is ignoring a huge part of their history. Always dancing from one side to the other, at their convenience.

People love to espouse themselves as victims.

[panic giraffe]

yeah I know montezuma wasn't mayan...

You so victim.

And this, is just classic.....

Now, I'm sure you don't have that in you but it once again, shows how you feel about it all. DAMN THAT SANTA ANA....HE SHOULD HAVE CHOSE DEATH SO WE KEPT FIGHTING AGAINST THOSE GRINGOS !!!

haha...but I like how you RAN, without haste, to the victim side of your heritage.

Just for the record, I had nothing to do with it.

i meant death or to die, whatever i need to sleep.

anyways i wasn't choosing the victim side of my heritage, just educating you that not all brown people are "catholic s"(i mean , how many brownskin jews do you really get to meet everyday in texas?!?), i can now see that its like teaching helen keller to see, so whatever.
keep reaching at your straws. tell a former american soldier who was the son of an american soldier who was the son of an american soldier and so on that he's less american based solely on the color of his skin and how his family came to become americans. i hope you haven't figured out how to breed yet.

[word]

me so victim...me so victim...

[panic giraffe]

haha, cute, so what's your story anyways?
how did your family get to become americans?

[word]

Ellis Island. Ireland. Both sides.

I have zero ties or loyalty to Ireland. I did not, and do not, what is left of it, support the IRA. For the record....

And yes, my family can drink...the stereotype is real.

[panic giraffe]

so if you have no ties or loyalty to ireland, or the ira(maybe that explains your hatred of catholics?) why is it so hard to believe that someone who who is american of mexican decent doesn't have any ties or loyalty to mexico? if i were to claim loyalty to any thing before the US it would be texas, but that's besides the point. i don't support, taking the states that were formerly part of mexico and either returning them to mexico or becoming an independent aztlan nation, i just disagree with laws like the one that started this thread because it puts people like me out subjects us to potential civil rights violations based on the mere fact of the color of my skin, so to me that makes it unamerican. but whatever, you'll probably just say i'm playing the victim card again...

[word]

maybe that explains your hatred of catholics?

I AM Catholic. I don't suck Vatican , brother. They suck when it comes to social justice. They shouldn't even be involved in it. Whatever side they are on, pretty much pick the other. Rwanda anyone ?

What is so hard to believe someone who is american of mexican decent doesn't have any ties or loyalty to mexico ?

100,000 marching in LA ?

The response of mexican americans when it comes to illegal immigration from latin america ? Archbishop Gomez ?

What am I, a ing child ?

Hey man, if you want to talk to me and if we're gonna calm down here and get off the flame war, you gotta be real with me, brother.

We can be friends can't we ?

I think, at the heart of this...WITHOUT going into the pure definition...this is about racism and don't get me wrong...I realize I am like everyone else and I have a bit of racism in me. Everyone does. That knife cuts both ways, as it does here. I moved to SA 8 years ago, the vaste majority of people I know and are my friends are latino and I have not said ONE ING THING to you I would not say to them or have, BTW...

I moved here, retired..voluntarily. I want to one day emigrate IN to Mexico if I can, when my parents pass away. I have noooo problem with Mexican culture..whatsoever. Well that's a lie..I think the macho part of hispanics/latino culture is a ing joke. If you so macho why did your land GET STOLEN !?!? haha...Anyway...my grandfather, 100% Irish, born in Mexico...spoke fluent spanish...his dad had a stake in a silver mine...don't wanna go into all that but I'm not prejudice anti-mexican latino. I AM anti stupid 'you stole our land' ed up south side glue sniffing spray painting macho mexican. You know EXACTLY what the I'm talking about.

I have a HUGE problem with illegal immigration and the idea of 'reconquista' or whatever. This is a country. I don't want 10 million lilly white europeans or anyone else coming here, without our permission.

because it puts people like me out subjects us to potential civil rights violations based on the mere fact of the color of my skin

Language would be more of a factor. If you got pulled over for some reason,and could not speak English, then my guess is, you'd get a hard look. This color of skin thing is a strawman.

ing period, dude.

[panic giraffe]

against a law that is unamerican.

[word]

Enforcing immigration is un-american ? Once again, let's bring 20 million Haitians into Texas, Arizona, California...

badges ? Dude, don't run away again...I responded to you. Up two....

[panic giraffe]

i'm not running away.

go upstream to see my views on immigration.

a child of ellis island of all people should understand "Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
' With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

i said i have no problem with more immigration, you just called me a ing liar.

[panic giraffe]

ps stop editing

[panic giraffe]

if i got pulled over and couldn't speak english it would be because i'm drunk

[word]

a child of ellis island of all people should understand "Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
' With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

i said i have no problem with more immigration, you just called me a ing liar.

Ahhh and there's the rub. So France sends us a statue, Lazarus writes a poem that they put on a plaque in 1883 and THAT is suppose to be US immigration policy from here to ing eternity ?

lets just fight the British again while we're at it.

It's not 1776, or 1863 or 1883, brother.

[word]

ps stop editing

If the person I'm responding to isn't on the thread, I feel free to edit my latest post. I may edit this one. I just did. Edit, . Sometimes I clean up spelling errors/typos.

Tough .

Now I'll edit just to piss you off....

edit to the edit

i just edited the edit of my edit...

[admiralsnackbar]

Why is Word equating being against this bill with being against immigration reform? Moreover: is he not aware of the history of Irish immigrants in this country?

[exstatic]

Are you saying it doesn't happen because you never have seen it? I had a friend who's dad mowed yards and made a good living. He was definitely pushed out because he couldn't compete with the low wages people were offering.

This is rich. Whenever the disadvantages of minorities are brought up, the position is that they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, but your friend's dad gets legal protection for his ing landscaping job? that. Improve your education and advance your career out of the way of the manual labor professions, or compete in that labor market place.

[spursncowboys]

This is rich. Whenever the disadvantages of minorities are brought up, the position is that they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, but your friend's dad gets legal protection for his ing landscaping job? that. Improve your education and advance your career out of the way of the manual labor professions, or compete in that labor market place.

Nice. Not snobbish at all. There is good money in landscaping btw.
SO your whole idea of illegal immigrants is so they can stay impoverished and able to clean your house and mow your yard at a cheap cost to you? That is not capitalism, guy.
I love the contempt you hold for people who actually have jobs.

[exstatic]

Nice. Not snobbish at all. There is good money in landscaping btw.
SO your whole idea of illegal immigrants is so they can stay impoverished and able to clean your house and mow your yard at a cheap cost to you? That is not capitalism, guy.
I love the contempt you hold for people who actually have jobs.

It's capitalism in it's purest form. The labor cost is what the market will bear. If your friend's dad won't work for the current "going wages" in landscaping then he needs to do something else. He shouldn't rely on "government interference".