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"They"? You're suddenly not part?
Where was our choice in the matter?
Refuse to do... what?And still refuse to.
They merely accepted them and refused to do anything about them.
And still refuse to.
"They"? You're suddenly not part?
Where was our choice in the matter?
Refuse to do... what?And still refuse to.
We. I am as responsible as anyone.
There are no choices in any aspect of our lives?Where was our choice in the matter?
You are saying nothing can be done?Refuse to do... what?
Resignation -- refusal -- end result is the same.
Did I say that?
What I'm asking is, how would choosing repub/democrat instead of repub/democrat have changed anything? And if it would, wouldn't that imply some are not at fault, while some are more at fault than others?
No. I'm legitimately asking what we're refusing to do.You are saying nothing can be done?
Resignation -- refusal -- end result is the same.
Take the Obama campaign, for instance. He promised change and Americans wanted change, and guess what? Obama won comfortably.
Americans, in this case, overwhelmingly went with change, the best way they knew how. Are they at fault now if Obama goes down as someone who did little to aid American progress?
Zosa who doesn't even vote apparently lecturing others on the lack of power of the American people. Amazing.
What are you talking about?
Zosa let me ask you this, when was the last time you spoke with your state representative and state senator? When was the last time you spoke with your US congressman and senators? When was the last time you were involved with any organizations involved in politics? When did you engage in the political process outside of this forum?
You don't really care, you're just looking to insult me anyway you can, Manny.
Why are you such a nice guy until you see a post by me? I mean, really, it's pretty bad. You don't give anyone as much as as me. I don't even think you're a bad guy and never will, just has it out for me for whatever reason.
Who said you have to choose Republican/Democrat?
Depends on what change they wanted. They certainly weren't voting to raise taxes, slash spending and eliminate the debt.No. I'm legitimately asking what we're refusing to do.
Take the Obama campaign, for instance. He promised change and Americans wanted change, and guess what? Obama won comfortably.
Americans, in this case, overwhelmingly went with change, the best way they knew how. Are they at fault now if Obama goes down as someone who did little to aid American progress?
Insults? Its not about insults. Maybe you feel they are insults because the answers obviously expose how stupid your powerless comments are. At least you feel shame at your stupidity even if you dance around it and never admit how stupid you're being.
The American people aren't powerless. They're apathetic.
Manny, you were only looking to undermine my takes by pointing out a lack of experience. Why? Apparently so you could call them "powerless."
BTW, I've argued before, with you, over American people's powerlessness, and how I thought the people still had all the say when it came right down to it.
You argued Big Business has way more voting power than the American populace.
So you're blaming the two party system? Or you think independent candidates wouldn't have done any deficit spending before paying off our outstanding debt?
Neither is guaranteed, and both would imply it's more some people's faults than others, some being relatively spotless, thus disproving your theory of "equal blame."
Says who?Depends on what change they wanted. They certainly weren't voting to raise taxes, slash spending and eliminate the debt.
Are you?
Depends on the candidate and whether he/she would have been elected.Or you think independent candidates wouldn't have done any deficit spending before paying off our outstanding debt?
If some people are more to blame than others, that absolves no one. What have you done and what do you plan to do to stop all this? Whine on a message board? Hope?Neither is guaranteed, and both would imply it's more some people's faults than others, some being relatively spotless, thus disproving your theory of "equal blame."
Says me.Says who?
Do you know of anyone who was voting for Obama to raise taxes, slash spending and pay off the debt?
Please tell me who these people are.
Please answer the question.
So, a hypothetical. Why are you blaming the American people for a hypothetical way out? One they could have taken that may not even have existed? One that you can't even identify?Depends on the candidate and whether he/she would have been elected.
So it definitely not of equal blame, then, depending on cir stances.If some people are more to blame than others, that absolves no one.
How many elections have you participated in? Include congressional and senatorial.
I think we should clarify how much blame everyone has, according to you, before we decide (based on your criteria of blame) who should fix it and how.What have you done and what do you plan to do to stop all this? Whine on a message board? Hope?
Cool. What qualifies you to speak for everyone who voted Obama in 08?Says me.
You didn't even vote Obama, did you?
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No.
Are you? Please answer the question.
It certainly did exist and was identifiable. It was the way that didn't spend so much money.So, a hypothetical. Why are you blaming the American people for a hypothetical way out? One they could have taken that may not even have existed? One that you can't even identify?
Some I would see being more directly responsible, others by ignorance, acquiescence, apathy, etc.So it definitely not of equal blame, then, depending on cir stances.
Define "participate."How many elections have you participated in? Include congressional and senatorial.
Why? Many of those to blame are dead. What good does affixing a percentage of blame do in that case?I think we should clarify how much blame everyone has, according to you, before we decide who should fix it.
And who will do the clarifying?
You?
To what end?
Protecting your own interest?
Can you give me any example of any voter voting for Obama to slash spending, raise taxes and eliminate the entire national debt?Cool. What qualifies you to speak for everyone who voted Obama in 08?
Any?
No. I thought neither candidate would eliminate the national debt. Can you find any example of any voter who claimed they thought Obama would?You didn't even vote Obama, did you?
For Manny:
http://www.startribune.com/business/...P:DiiUiacyKUUrJapan's new prime minister warned Friday that his country could face a financial mess like that of Greece if it did not deal urgently with its swelling national debt. Naoto Kan, speaking in his first address to Parliament after taking office Tuesday, said Japan, the world's second-largest economy, cannot continue to let government debt swell while state finances are under pressure from an aging and declining population.
"It is difficult to sustain a policy that relies too heavily on issuing debt. As we have seen with the financial confusion in the European community stemming from Greece, our finances could collapse if trust in national bonds is lost and growing national debt is left alone," he said.
Japan has the largest public debt among industrialized nations at 218.6 percent of its gross domestic product in 2009, according to the International Monetary Fund.
Kan, who became Japan's sixth prime minister in four years after a short stint as finance minister, promised his government would work closely with the Bank of Japan to avoid an increase in deflation and would focus on developing a "strong and comprehensive" policy.
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What's that about Japan again, Manny?
z0sa:MIG put me through that very same wringer once upon a time. It passes. It ain't a real bad idea if you like it. I don't.
Manny: Our erstwhile talk, did not have the intended effect. I don't temporize with officialdom, absent some ing emergency. That's me.
Sorry I couldn't be more like you, all up in their grills all the time. That ain't me. Maybe it's ok for somebody else.
"Deficits don't matter" -- head
Hawking the deficit NOW is just anoter tactic of the VRWC strategy to destroy govt, at all levels, and game the system even more for the kleptocratic plutocracy.
Notice how the super wealthy are still super wealthy and detached from the Banksters Great Depression while the Real Economy, ie the one that provide jobs, services, products, is still in a deep hole and will be for many years. It's all part of VRWC plan, the results of Repug/consersative "philosophy" to suck wealth out govts and people.
Continuous warfare is another tactic to transfer taxpayer dollars to the MIC, leaving the taxpayers on the hook for govt debt and interest for decades.
Watch the Congress s gut the financial reform bill so Blanche Lincoln's anti-casino section and the Volcker Rule will be loopholed to meaninglessness if not actually excluded. Banks will still be able to gamble with taxpayers' money, will still be TBTF, and will continue sucking the wealth out of the real economy.
Has anyone noticed how despearte counties and municipalities are selling homeowners utility bills, property tax debts to predatory capitalists who then add on a few 10s of $1000 of "collection fees" then foreclose the property?
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