I woudl think that limiting social security requirements of legal immigrants who immigrated later in life might be an easier sell than a hard cap on age.
Yeah, I'm saying maybe a 3 month visa to start with and you are given a WP#. Your employer uses that instead of a SS#. The employer is required to report that he has hired you and deduct, say..10% from your paycheck and remit it to the government. At the end of 3 months you have to check back in, prove you are working for an "on the books" employer and your visa gets extended for another year. Rinse and repeat.
How much would you charge for the paperwork? What about security clearance/background checks? Would those still be required? (If so, who would pay for these? The employer?)
That's somewhat how it works now for temporary workers. The problem is when millions of people decide not to report back.
As ElNono mentioned, you don't get a SS number with a work visa. You only get it when you get a green card, which allows you to live legally here. (Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this, it has been two years since I worked the process to get my wife a green card/SS#.)
That's how it already works for citizens.
That should be part of the application process. If a 10% tax on earnings doesn't cover the cost of administrating the program raise the tax to 15% or whatever is necessary.
No, you can get a SS number. I actually got mine when I was still a temp worker. My SS card does read 'VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH INS AUTHORIZATION'. (Way back when I got it it was called INS instead of ICE)
You have to combine the relaxed work visa standards with enforcement on employers. If you eliminate the "off the books" jobs, you eliminate the "off the book" workers.
All employers aren't bad, but the legal requirements to be an employer are pretty onerous. Make it something they can live with. They have to report the employee and hold out 10% (or whatever they are required) of salary and submit that to the government but forget about matching medicare and SS witholding and unemployment insurance. Maybe even require the employee to get a catastrophic insurance plan and withhold that out of the check. They are really cheap when you are young. If an employer still chooses to hire "off the books" fine the ever loving out of them.
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OK, so you did everything legally.
Why do you support ILLEGAL immigration?
Whats the employer going to do if the employee doesn't show up anymore one day? Or what does the government needs to do different than what they do now if those people fail to show up?
Yes
I don't. At the same time, having been an integral part of the legal immigration system for over a decade, I understand that illegal immigration it's not a black or white issue. There's plenty of shades in the middle that need to be addressed.
It's not the employers problem if the guy doesn't show up.
Like I said the guy gets a WP#. He has to give that number to his next employer to change jobs. His next employer deducts the tax and turns it in under his WP#. The guy has to prove annually he is paying taxes to get his work permit renewed.
Millions of illegals will be leaving on there own this time next year. USA has had enough. Those wanting amnesty for these criminals is a complete joke. Thanks to Arizona, dems/libs are actually talking about going after the businesses that support the law breakers. We are getting closer to a national ID.
What happened to Obama sending those 1200 nationals down there? Another lie. Shocking! I'm telling you that senator was right when he said Obama was holding the border hostage. Anyhoot, congress will change colors this november, atleast the house (no debate there) and the law breakers will be moving out. No thanks to Barry.
We have supposedly already lost a million+ with construction crashing.
I hope no one takes this as racist. God forbid. All americans need to mow their own yard. That will send a few more million back home.
I still mow my 2 1/2 acres with a push mower and I'm an old .
I think a big issue is selective enforcement. If the law isn't going to be enforced it shouldn't be there, not ignored. Why i it ok for someone to be in this country illegally, but it isn't ok for a legal, otherwise law abiding citizens get harassed to no end if they don't pay taxes? Obviously a bit rhetorical, but if a law won't be enforced it is an expense, a burden and a blemish on an already over-legislated government.
Want smaller government? Find better ways to deal with immigrants than making them illegal and wasting taxpayer dollars...
What you're describing is pretty much the current legal system in place. The problem is that employers don't give a about conformance. Most of those hiring illegal immigrants are fully aware of it. Actually proving that the guy hired the illegal is a lot harder than people think it is, which is what makes implementing a fine system really problematic.
I did not mow my yard for 10 years but thanks to a conversation I had in here 15-16
months ago I started to mow my own yard. It only takes me 30 minutes, saves me 120 month and no illegals prowling around my property.
It doesn't necessarily take bigger government. Make it really easy on employers to "go legitimate" and hire guest workers "on the books". Fine the crap out of the ones that still don't comply. I mean make it hurt and put the assholes out of business if necessary. The taxes raised and the fines on the non-compliant would more than pay for enforcement.
It's really simple. He shows his work permit ID. His ID has a number. The business owner with holds taxes and reports the income to the feds. If the number doesn't match the feds tell him.
And BTW, the fact that I don't like the AZ law has nothing to do with 'supporting illegal immigration'. To me, it has to do with the erosion of individual rights and the thought that we're all basically illegal immigrants unless proven otherwise. I also refuse to open the door to legalizing terms such as 'reasonable su ion' without being completely determined what is it's exact meaning.
They are being trained for deployment next month.
You didn't know that?
You were completely ignorant of that fact?
Shocking!
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