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    this may be the most idiotic statement you ever made.
    Keep the faith, turnip boy.

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    keep meowing, dead cat.

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    Shirley Sherrod's Disappearing Act: Not So Fast
    By: TOM BLUMER
    Special to The Examiner
    07/20/10 1:52 PM EDT
    My oh my, that happened quickly. Perhaps too quickly.

    Until yesterday, Shirley Sherrod was Georgia Director of Rural Development for the USDA. Earlier in the day at Big Government, Andrew Breitbart put up a video that exposed Ms. Sherrod as someone all too willing to discriminate based on race.

    Within hours of the video's release, USDA Director Tom Vilsack announced Sherrod's resignation, and in the process issued an exceptionally strong condemnation ("We are appalled by her actions ... Her actions were shameful ... she gave no indication she had attempted to right the wrong she had done to this man").

    The NAACP, at whose Freedom Fund Banquet Sherrod spoke of her discriminatory posture, and at which the audience seemed to indicate approval of her outlook, followed a short time later, virtually echoing Vilsack.

    So I guess we're supposed to forget about Shirley Sherrod from this point forward.

    Not just yet. Luckily, she's not going away quietly, and is complaining about Fox News and the Tea Party causing her dismissal. Keep it up, ma’am, because you and the USDA both deserve further scrutiny.

    Ms. Sherrod's previous background, the cir stances surrounding her hiring, and the USDA's agenda may all play a part in explaining her sudden departure from the agency. These matters have not received much scrutiny to this point.

    An announcement of Ms. Sherrod's July 2009 appointment to her USDA position at ruraldevelopment.org gives off quite a few clues:

    RDLN Graduate and Board Vice Chair Shirley Sherrod was appointed Georgia Director for Rural Development by Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack on July 25. Only days earlier, she learned that New Communities, a group she founded with her husband and other families (see below) has won a thirteen million dollar settlement in the minority farmers law suit Pigford vs Vilsack.

    What?

    The news that follows at the link, which appears to pre-date the announcement of Ms. Sherrod's appointment, provides further details:

    Minority Farm Settlement

    Justice Achieved - Congratulations to Shirley and Charles Sherrod!

    We have wonderful news regarding the case of New Communities, Inc., the land trust that Shirley and Charles Sherrod established, with other black farm families in the 1960's. At the time, with holdings of almost 6,000 acres, this was the largest tract of black-owned land in the country.

    ... Over the years, USDA refused to provide loans for farming or irrigation and would not allow New Communities to restructure its loans. Gradually, the group had to fight just to hold on to the land and finally had to wind down operations.

    ... The cash (settlement) award acknowledges racial discrimination on the part of the U.S. Department of Agriculture for the years 1981-85. ... New Communities is due to receive approximately $13 million ($8,247,560 for loss of land and $4,241,602 for loss of income; plus $150,000 each to Shirley and Charles for pain and suffering). There may also be an unspecified amount in forgiveness of debt. This is the largest award so far in the minority farmers law suit (Pigford vs Vilsack).

    The Pigford matter goes back a long way, and to say the least has a checkered history, as this May 27, 2010 item at Agri-Pulse demonstrates (bolds are mine):

    As part of a April 14, 1999 class action case settlement, commonly known as the Pigford case, U.S. taxpayers have already provided over $1 billion in cash, non-credit awards and debt relief to almost 16,000 black farmers who claimed that they were discriminated against by USDA officials as they “farmed or attempted to farm.” In addition, USDA’s Farm Service Agency spent over $166 million on salaries and expenses on this case from 1999-2009, according to agency records.

    Members of Congress may approve another $1.15 billion this week to settle cases from what some estimate may be an additional 80,000 African-Americans who have also claimed to have been discriminated against by USDA staff.

    ... Settling this case is clearly a priority for the White House and USDA. Secretary Vilsack described the funding agreement reached between the Administration and advocates for black farmers early this year as “an important milestone in putting these discriminatory claims behind us for good and in achieving finality for this group of farmers with longstanding grievances."

    However, confronted with the skyrocketing federal deficit, more officials are taking a critical look at the billion dollars spent thus far and wondering when these discrimination cases will ever end. Already, the number of people who have been paid and are still seeking payment will likely exceed the 26,785 black farmers who were considered to even be operating back in 1997, according to USDA. That’s the year the case initially began as Pigford v. (then Agriculture Secretary) Glickman and sources predicted that, at most, 3,000 might qualify.

    At least one source who is extremely familiar with the issue and who asked to remain anonymous because of potential retribution, says there are a number of legitimate cases who have long been denied their payments and will benefit from the additional funding. But many more appear to have been solicited in an attempt to “game” the Pigford system.

    Here are just a few questions about Ms. Sherrod that deserve answers:

    Was Ms. Sherrod's USDA appointment an unspoken condition of her organization's settlement?
    How much "debt forgiveness" is involved in USDA's settlement with New Communities?
    Why were the Sherrods so deserving of a combined $300,000 in "pain and suffering" payments -- amounts that far exceed the average payout thus far to everyone else? ($1.15 billion divided by 16,000 is about $72,000)?
    Given that New Communities wound down its operations so long ago (it appears that this occurred sometime during the late 1980s), what is really being done with that $13 million in settlement money?


    Here are a few bigger-picture questions:

    Did Shirley Sherrod resign so quickly because the cir stances of her hiring and the lawsuit settlement with her organization that preceded it might expose some unpleasant truths about her possible and possibly sanctioned conflicts of interest?
    Is USDA worried about the exposure of possible waste, fraud, and abuse in its handling of Pigford?
    Did USDA also dispatch Sherrod hastily because her continued presence, even for another day, might have gotten in the way of settling Pigford matters quickly?


    The media and the blogosphere shouldn't be so quick to forget about Shirley Sherrod.




    Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...#ixzz0uQZwmCaQ

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    Shirley Sherrod's Disappearing Act: Not So Fast
    By: TOM BLUMER
    Special to The Examiner
    07/20/10 1:52 PM EDT
    My oh my, that happened quickly. Perhaps too quickly.

    Until yesterday, Shirley Sherrod was Georgia Director of Rural Development for the USDA. Earlier in the day at Big Government, Andrew Breitbart put up a video that exposed Ms. Sherrod as someone all too willing to discriminate based on race.

    Within hours of the video's release, USDA Director Tom Vilsack announced Sherrod's resignation, and in the process issued an exceptionally strong condemnation ("We are appalled by her actions ... Her actions were shameful ... she gave no indication she had attempted to right the wrong she had done to this man").

    The NAACP, at whose Freedom Fund Banquet Sherrod spoke of her discriminatory posture, and at which the audience seemed to indicate approval of her outlook, followed a short time later, virtually echoing Vilsack.

    So I guess we're supposed to forget about Shirley Sherrod from this point forward.

    Not just yet. Luckily, she's not going away quietly, and is complaining about Fox News and the Tea Party causing her dismissal. Keep it up, ma’am, because you and the USDA both deserve further scrutiny.

    Ms. Sherrod's previous background, the cir stances surrounding her hiring, and the USDA's agenda may all play a part in explaining her sudden departure from the agency. These matters have not received much scrutiny to this point.

    An announcement of Ms. Sherrod's July 2009 appointment to her USDA position at ruraldevelopment.org gives off quite a few clues:

    RDLN Graduate and Board Vice Chair Shirley Sherrod was appointed Georgia Director for Rural Development by Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack on July 25. Only days earlier, she learned that New Communities, a group she founded with her husband and other families (see below) has won a thirteen million dollar settlement in the minority farmers law suit Pigford vs Vilsack.

    What?

    The news that follows at the link, which appears to pre-date the announcement of Ms. Sherrod's appointment, provides further details:

    Minority Farm Settlement

    Justice Achieved - Congratulations to Shirley and Charles Sherrod!

    We have wonderful news regarding the case of New Communities, Inc., the land trust that Shirley and Charles Sherrod established, with other black farm families in the 1960's. At the time, with holdings of almost 6,000 acres, this was the largest tract of black-owned land in the country.

    ... Over the years, USDA refused to provide loans for farming or irrigation and would not allow New Communities to restructure its loans. Gradually, the group had to fight just to hold on to the land and finally had to wind down operations.

    ... The cash (settlement) award acknowledges racial discrimination on the part of the U.S. Department of Agriculture for the years 1981-85. ... New Communities is due to receive approximately $13 million ($8,247,560 for loss of land and $4,241,602 for loss of income; plus $150,000 each to Shirley and Charles for pain and suffering). There may also be an unspecified amount in forgiveness of debt. This is the largest award so far in the minority farmers law suit (Pigford vs Vilsack).

    The Pigford matter goes back a long way, and to say the least has a checkered history, as this May 27, 2010 item at Agri-Pulse demonstrates (bolds are mine):

    As part of a April 14, 1999 class action case settlement, commonly known as the Pigford case, U.S. taxpayers have already provided over $1 billion in cash, non-credit awards and debt relief to almost 16,000 black farmers who claimed that they were discriminated against by USDA officials as they “farmed or attempted to farm.” In addition, USDA’s Farm Service Agency spent over $166 million on salaries and expenses on this case from 1999-2009, according to agency records.

    Members of Congress may approve another $1.15 billion this week to settle cases from what some estimate may be an additional 80,000 African-Americans who have also claimed to have been discriminated against by USDA staff.

    ... Settling this case is clearly a priority for the White House and USDA. Secretary Vilsack described the funding agreement reached between the Administration and advocates for black farmers early this year as “an important milestone in putting these discriminatory claims behind us for good and in achieving finality for this group of farmers with longstanding grievances."

    However, confronted with the skyrocketing federal deficit, more officials are taking a critical look at the billion dollars spent thus far and wondering when these discrimination cases will ever end. Already, the number of people who have been paid and are still seeking payment will likely exceed the 26,785 black farmers who were considered to even be operating back in 1997, according to USDA. That’s the year the case initially began as Pigford v. (then Agriculture Secretary) Glickman and sources predicted that, at most, 3,000 might qualify.

    At least one source who is extremely familiar with the issue and who asked to remain anonymous because of potential retribution, says there are a number of legitimate cases who have long been denied their payments and will benefit from the additional funding. But many more appear to have been solicited in an attempt to “game” the Pigford system.

    Here are just a few questions about Ms. Sherrod that deserve answers:

    Was Ms. Sherrod's USDA appointment an unspoken condition of her organization's settlement?
    How much "debt forgiveness" is involved in USDA's settlement with New Communities?
    Why were the Sherrods so deserving of a combined $300,000 in "pain and suffering" payments -- amounts that far exceed the average payout thus far to everyone else? ($1.15 billion divided by 16,000 is about $72,000)?
    Given that New Communities wound down its operations so long ago (it appears that this occurred sometime during the late 1980s), what is really being done with that $13 million in settlement money?


    Here are a few bigger-picture questions:

    Did Shirley Sherrod resign so quickly because the cir stances of her hiring and the lawsuit settlement with her organization that preceded it might expose some unpleasant truths about her possible and possibly sanctioned conflicts of interest?
    Is USDA worried about the exposure of possible waste, fraud, and abuse in its handling of Pigford?
    Did USDA also dispatch Sherrod hastily because her continued presence, even for another day, might have gotten in the way of settling Pigford matters quickly?


    The media and the blogosphere shouldn't be so quick to forget about Shirley Sherrod.




    Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...#ixzz0uQZwmCaQ

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    i'd bet there are some blistering depositions associated with this case.

    thats when the meat hits the grill, cowboy.

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    i'd bet there are some blistering depositions associated with this case.

    thats when the meat hits the grill, cowboy.

    Members of Congress may approve another $1.15 billion this week to settle cases from what some estimate may be an additional 80,000 African-Americans who have also claimed to have been discriminated against by USDA staff.

    ... Settling this case is clearly a priority for the White House and USDA. Secretary Vilsack described the funding agreement reached between the Administration and advocates for black farmers early this year as “an important milestone in putting these discriminatory claims behind us for good and in achieving finality for this group of farmers with longstanding grievances."

    However, confronted with the skyrocketing federal deficit, more officials are taking a critical look at the billion dollars spent thus far and wondering when these discrimination cases will ever end. Already, the number of people who have been paid and are still seeking payment will likely exceed the 26,785 black farmers who were considered to even be operating back in 1997, according to USDA. That’s the year the case initially began as Pigford v. (then Agriculture Secretary) Glickman and sources predicted that, at most, 3,000 might qualify.

    At least one source who is extremely familiar with the issue and who asked to remain anonymous because of potential retribution, says there are a number of legitimate cases who have long been denied their payments and will benefit from the additional funding. But many more appear to have been solicited in an attempt to “game” the Pigford system.
    That burning smell is taxpayers money, not meat hitting the grill.

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    if you don't want to consider evidence gathered through depositions.......that led to the settlement......i understand.

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    if you don't want to consider evidence gathered through depositions.......that led to the settlement......i understand.

    And you read these depositions....where?

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    And you read these depositions....where?
    you think i need to read them to know they exist?

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    We weren't the suckers.

    The NAACP, the WH, and her boss were.
    The Obama administration and the NAACP were indeed suckered.

    The administration waaay jumped the gun, and was far to ready to cave into right-wing demands for her immediate resignation. They were wrong.

    But, if you want to try and pretend that you or Jack or Yoni et al. didn't believe the story on its face, and would not have gleefully posted thread after thread concerning this, simply because you got your Outrage Marching Orders from Fox "news" telling you to be mad about it, please don't lie to me.

    Maddow pointed out no few talking heads at Fox calling for the immediate firing of the woman.

    You can't pretend that didn't happen, and that you didn't initially agree, or that you stood up and called for a bit more context.

    The only thing that kept you from doing the same was the fact that the truth got out in fairly short order.

    This is a perfect example of the Right Wing Outrage Machine and its unending quest, facts be damned, for some new bit of fresh meat for the faithful to show how stupid liberals are.

    It is little better than the Left-Wing Race Outrage Machine in that regard.

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    you think i need to read them to know they exist?
    Pwnd

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    you don't know much about civil cases.

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    CC: did the USDA the farmers or not? Just wondering.

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    CC: did the USDA the farmers or not? Just wondering.
    of course not. we just want the blacks to like us.

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    CC: did the USDA the farmers or not? Just wondering.
    Of course they ed them. They were black. The government loaned them money to buy farms. Then they couldn't pay it back and wanted more money from the government. The government didn't give it to them. The farms were repossessed when they didn't pay for them. Clearly the USDA should have given them anything they wanted because they were black.

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    CC did sort of characterize Pigford as an electoral sop, didn't he?

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    CC did sort of characterize Pigford as an electoral sop, didn't he?
    Yeah I did. USDA folded like a cheap lawn chair and settled when they played the race card. Purely political.

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    Of course they ed them. They were black. The government loaned them money to buy farms. Then they couldn't pay it back and wanted more money from the government. The government didn't give it to them. The farms were repossessed when they didn't pay for them. Clearly the USDA should have given them anything they wanted because they were black.
    Perhaps there is some portion of the relevant record (with which you may already be familiar), that you would share; to give your point more factual amplitude, so to speak.

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    Of course they ed them. They were black. The government loaned them money to buy farms. Then they couldn't pay it back and wanted more money from the government. The government didn't give it to them. The farms were repossessed when they didn't pay for them. Clearly the USDA should have given them anything they wanted because they were black.
    Let me see if I get this straight.

    Those farmers that participated in the loan program did so out of a sense of racial en lement and were so incompetant/lazy/unlucky whatever, that they couldn't pay back the loan, then just wanted more money simply because they felt en led to it?

    No one that participated in the loan program did so because they simply wanted some assistance in starting a farm that they might not have gotten otherwise, so that they could, in essence, own their own business.

    Riiiiight. Thanks for clearing that up.

    I assume you have spoken to enough of them or read something somewhere that provides you with the insight to be able to make such a blanket statement?

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    Perhaps there is some portion of the relevant record (with which you may already be familiar), that you would share; to give your point more factual amplitude, so to speak.
    Well, in 1997 when Pigford was filed USDA records indicated that there were a total of 26,785 black farmers in the United States. TOTAL. The USDA decided to settle instead of fighting it. They politically could blame any discrimination on "previous administrations". To date there have been 16,000 claims settled at a cost of over ONE BILLION DOLLARS and as many as another 80,000 pending.

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    Let me see if I get this straight.

    Those farmers that participated in the loan program did so out of a sense of racial en lement and were so incompetant/lazy/unlucky whatever, that they couldn't pay back the loan, then just wanted more money simply because they felt en led to it?

    No one that participated in the loan program did so because they simply wanted some assistance in starting a farm that they might not have gotten otherwise, so that they could, in essence, own their own business.

    Riiiiight. Thanks for clearing that up.

    I assume you have spoken to enough of them or read something somewhere that provides you with the insight to be able to make such a blanket statement?
    Lets get this straight.

    YOU CANNOT BUY LAND AT MARKET RATES AND PAY FOR IT BY FARMING/RANCHING.

    IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

    I would already own Texas if you could.

    You HAVE to have income from other sources.

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    so now its about "blame", only.

    no way there's been any discovery.

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    The clear suggestion is that claimants outnumber the injured. Outrageous, if true.

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    As part of a April 14, 1999 class action case settlement, commonly known as the Pigford case, U.S. taxpayers have already provided over $1 billion in cash, non-credit awards and debt relief...
    You can easily do it if you are the government and you are pandering to a cons uent voting block and it's not your money. Did you just fall off a turnip truck?
    So a Republican Congress approved over $1 billion to settle a case to pander to black voters?

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