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  1. #176
    Mr. John Wayne CosmicCowboy's Avatar
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    so now its about "blame", only.

    no way there's been any discovery.
    Pretty much no. If they went "A" class it was pretty much a slam dunk 50K "the checks in the mail".

    If they went "B" class it was pretty much a one day arbitration. USDA wanted to avoid any controversy and bent over backwards to be "fair"

    Thus, Shirley Sherrod (who knew how to game the system) got her $13,000,000 settlement.

    This story isn't over by a longshot.

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    thats funny

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    You guys realize that Sherrod has already sued the USDA under the Pigford class action suit (that was settled out of court) and is about to collect $13,000,000, right?
    You sure about that?

    I thought she gets $150,000.
    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 07-22-2010 at 12:40 PM.

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    So a Republican Congress approved over $1 billion to settle a case to pander to black voters?
    Yes, Clinton was President but it was a Republican Congress by a slim majority. It was 55/45 in the senate so they didn't have a super-majority like democrats have now.

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    You sure about that?
    Yes

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    "This group, New Communities, later sued the USDA and was awarded a $13 million settlement, with Sherrod and her husband getting $300,000"

    http://industry.bnet.com/food/100027...cial-missteps/

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    he thinks she gets 13 million. just her, and the settlement acknowledges racial discrimination.

    but there's no evidence.

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    "This group, New Communities, later sued the USDA and was awarded a $13 million settlement, with Sherrod and her husband getting $300,000"

    http://industry.bnet.com/food/100027...cial-missteps/
    You obviously have reading comprehension issues. The Sherrod's essentially WERE "New Communities"...a land trust they founded. The $300,000 individually was in addition to the settlement to their trust for "pain and suffering".

    It is quite common to own property in a trust. In fact what I call "my" ranchito is actually in a land trust.

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    with other black farmers.

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    with other black farmers.
    She and her husband were the PRINCIPALS of the trust. But you now agree that she CLEARLY got MILLIONS and not just $300,000, right?

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    She and her husband were the PRINCIPALS of the trust. But you now agree that she CLEARLY got MILLIONS and not just $300,000, right?
    she's gonna cut the rest of them out, huh?

    nothing like new allegations to keep the show running!

















    and not one piece of evidence, to boot.

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    she's gonna cut the rest of them out, huh?

    nothing like new allegations to keep the show running!

















    and not one piece of evidence, to boot.
    You are hilarious, dude. I clearly OWNED your stupid ass on the $300,000 claim and you just won't admit it.

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    You are hilarious, dude. I clearly OWNED your stupid ass on the $300,000 claim and you just won't admit it.
    you need to show me where i made a $300,000 claim before you can own me.

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    You guys realize that Sherrod has already sued the USDA under the Pigford class action suit (that was settled out of court) and is about to collect $13,000,000, right?
    You said she is about to collect $13,000,000.

    $13,000,000!!!

    You need to show us something other than your assumption that proves she is collecting all $13,000,000 then.

    Yes, Clinton was President but it was a Republican Congress by a slim majority. It was 55/45 in the senate so they didn't have a super-majority like democrats have now.
    Democrats don't have a super-majority even if you count the independents.

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    Let me spell it out for you.

    The Sherrods borrowed the money from the USDA to buy the land.

    The Sherrods then wanted to borrow more money from the USDA to pay them to operate the farm and make additional improvements, specifically irrigation. The USDA refused the additional loans.

    They eventually quit paying the original loans and lost the property.

    New Communities is due to receive approximately $13 million ($8,247,560 for loss of land and $4,241,602 for loss of income; plus $150,000 each to Shirley and Charles for pain and suffering). There may also be an unspecified amount in forgiveness of debt. This is the largest award so far in the minority farmers law suit (Pigford vs Vilsack).

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    i knew you couldn't.

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    [there are no legitimate claims of racism in this instance, all the participants here did so out of a sense of "black en lement".]
    I assume you have spoken to enough of them or read something somewhere that provides you with the insight to be able to make such a blanket statement?
    [pure farming/ranching in texas is unprofitable]

    That really didn't answer my question, did it?

    That's ok. I don't expect you to give me a straight, honest answer. That would lead to an uncomfortable admission of one sort or another.

    I have no doubt that some tried to game the system. None.

    On the other hand, though, I would not ascribe less than honest motives to someone without knowing more about it.

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    You said she is about to collect $13,000,000.

    $13,000,000!!!

    You need to show us something other than your assumption that proves she is collecting all $13,000,000 then.



    Democrats don't have a super-majority even if you count the independents.
    Pardon me. Had before Brown got elected.

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    Referring to the by now vanquished Democratic supermajority as if it were still in effect, exaggerates the danger it poses now. It still poses some danger though. Mr. Brown is not a solid red vote.

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    You guys are hilarious.

    Whether it's $300,000, $3,000,000 or $13,000,000 it's clearly good to be black in the USA.

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    You guys are hilarious.

    Whether it's $300,000, $3,000,000 or $13,000,000 it's clearly good to be black in the USA.
    translation..PWNED

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    You guys are hilarious.

    Whether it's $300,000, $3,000,000 or $13,000,000 it's clearly good to be black in the USA.
    It makes one wonder if there was resentment against her to use her speech as the reason to let her go...

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    "This group, New Communities, later sued the USDA and was awarded a $13 million settlement, with Sherrod and her husband getting $300,000"

    http://industry.bnet.com/food/100027...cial-missteps/
    Maybe a little too sensitive, although Vilsack clearly comes off as sincere and well-meaning.

    But here’s where the story gets complicated. One of those aggrieved African American farmers is none other than Shirley Sherrod. In the 60’s, she started a farm group with several other farm families. This group, New Communities, later sued the USDA and was awarded a $13 million settlement, with Sherrod and her husband getting $300,000 for “pain and suffering.” And that money happened to be awarded, according to an account on Ruraldevelopment.org, just days before she got the USDA job in July 2009.

    It’s unclear whether Vilsack knew about this when he decided to fire Sherrod. Did he watch the video and conclude that her beef with the USDA had hardened her into the sort of black person who discriminates against white people? If so, it’s understandable why Sherrod might not want her job back.

    FoxNews.com and conservative blogs are trying to make hay of the fact that Sherrod got a huge settlement and nice government job around the same time. But such conspiratorial suggestions don’t make much sense.

    What would the USDA be buying through awarding Sherrod a job, except maybe some appeasement of guilt? They’d already agreed to pay out $13 million and the larger $1 billion was in the works. And Sherrod wasn’t exactly given an elevated position in the department. Besides, if she was the sort of person to trade political favors, wouldn’t she be clamoring for that new job Vilsack is offering?

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    It makes one wonder if there was resentment against her to use her speech as the reason to let her go...
    you're still trying to spin this..yesterday it was because she is too conservative

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    You guys are hilarious.

    Whether it's $300,000, $3,000,000 or $13,000,000 it's clearly good to be black in the USA.
    "the settlement acknowledges racial discrimination".



    with zero evidence. right cowboy?

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