RJ's Contract Details

[coyotes_geek]

Any chance RJ's 4 year contract begins with the first year being the lowest, say 8 million and then increasing? His last year could be the highest, which would give the Spurs a pretty good expiring contract.

That's how most nba contracts are structured.

[Thompson]

I will say..

There's a chance that timvp is bull ting us here, preparing us for the worst case scenario so that we're more willing to embrace Jefferson's return after hearing the contract is less than the projected 4-year/40..

That's sort of what I was hoping when I saw page 1, but it's already over 10 pages. I feel weird hoping this is a cruel hoax. I wanted us to bring RJ back, but that price is even making me queasy.

[ohmwrecker]

Just relaying truth, son.

If you say so, bubba.

[benefactor]

This thread has future epic bump written all over it.

[ElNono]

I don't know why you guys keep on thinking Pop will play rookies for anything more than 10 mins in the playoffs, if at all. Yeah, I'm including Splitter. I really can't recall that happening this side of Ginobili. I mean the only exception I can remember is Hill getting 20 mins in '08 basically when we already waved the white flag.

And yes, I think Hill will keep progressing and Blair too. But you're kidding yourself if you think Blair can guard anybody 7 feet tall and bulky as Bynum or as skilled as Gasol.
Hill is a good player, but he's no superstar.

What pisses me off the most is that we just rewarded two guys that bring everything that's soft defensively in our team.

Tony is the guy that can make a huge difference if he comes back healthy, but when people bring up Tony from two seasons ago, they forget that Manu was pretty much out. Tony dominated the ball a lot more because there was simply one less star to share it with. I think we can get a much better Tony than last season, but I don't think you're going to see a '08 Tony unless Manu or Tim go down (which I hope they do not, obviously).

[AFBlue]

That's sort of what I was hoping when I saw page 1, but it's already over 10 pages. I feel weird hoping this is a cruel hoax. I wanted us to bring RJ back, but that price is even making me queasy.

It's 10 pages of b.s., except for timvp chiming in saying he still hadn't confirmed with a second source but was confident his first source would be right.

[Fabbs]

That's sort of what I was hoping when I saw page 1, but it's already over 10 pages. I feel weird hoping this is a cruel hoax. I wanted us to bring RJ back, but that price is even making me queasy.

If someone wants to explain how RJ is worth more then 3 million a year for 4 years, I'm all ears.

[rascal]

Think of it this way. RJ was going to cost the Spurs 22 mil for one year (salary and penalty). Spurs make a deal and basically give that whole amount to RJ (which was going to be spent anyway) and an additional 3 years at 6 mil per. Total cash outlay 40 mil divided over 4 years.

When Holt looks in his wallet he spends the same amount of money plus he gets a starting SF for 6 mil per year for an additional 3 years that will be trade bait at 10mil on the 4th year.

The only thing that is left is now to get RJ to effectively play his position. That means RJ playing SF the way we need him, Spur players also playing to RJs strengths and coach Pop not playing RJ out of position anymore.

Jefferson won't be worth having on the roster in 4 years.

[ElNono]

I seriously doubt there are any Spurs fans that are rooting for him to fail so they can say "see I told you he wasn't worth the money". I'm hoping he turns out to be worth every penny of that fat bloated contract he just signed and can keep the Spurs competetive when Parker, Manu and Duncan are gone.

Absolutely. I think it's a terrible deal, but I would like nothing more than eat crow.

[Mel_13]

I haven't taken the time to read thru the thread, so if these ideas have already been expressed please know that I haven't stolen your ideas, I merely share them.

If 4/40 is true:

1. Clear evidence that RJ and the Spurs had an agreement in place before RJ opted out.

2. Good news for Gee, Hairston, and Temple. Bad news for those hoping we would use the LLE or the remainder of the MLE. After Anderson is signed, the Spurs will have 10 players with fully guaranteed contracts. I estimate that they'll be about 3M under the lux tax threshold at that point. I can't see them doing this deal with RJ only to go back over the tax level. 3M will buy Gee, Hairston, and Temple. Perhaps enough for Gist as well.

3. Good news for the Trade Tony and Hate Tony crowd. I always thought that the Spurs wouldn't trade RJ's 15.2M expiring contract for a long-term contract like Iguadola because of the adverse impact such a trade would have on the team's ability to keep Tony for the long term. Well they've essentially traded RJ's expiring deal for three more years of RJ. The odds of signing Tony to an extension just got substantially longer in my book. I still don't see a Tony trade this summer, but if the team in under-performing as we approach the trade deadline...

[Birn]

4 years and $40 mil sound about right for RJ. Very likely the final year is a team option. This keeps the Spurs out of the luxury tax plus still leaves flexibility for us to use the rest of our MLE and the LLE and still remain under the luxury tax. Great move by the FO and RJ. I don't care how much RJ, TD, TP, Bonner, etc. are getting paid individually as long as the total team salary doesn't exceed the luxury tax. The other thing this does is enhance the reputation of the Spurs organization as a desirable place for players to come. They take care of their players.

[ElNono]

I will say..

There's a chance that timvp is bull ting us here, preparing us for the worst case scenario so that we're more willing to embrace Jefferson's return after hearing the contract is less than the projected 4-year/40..

That thought actually crossed my mind...

[ohmwrecker]

This thread has future epic bump written all over it.

No doubt.

[DPG21920]

I don't think there is any question Malik is a better defender. A bettter NBA player? No. Better defender? Yes.

[coyotes_geek]

Jefferson won't be worth having on the roster in 4 years.

So? Four years from now the Spurs window will be closed, nailed shut and bricked over so RJ's presence doesn't hurt anything.

[ohmwrecker]

No question?! No question at all?!

[AFBlue]

3. Good news for the Trade Tony and Hate Tony crowd. I always thought that the Spurs wouldn't trade RJ's 15.2M expiring contract for a long-term contract like Iguadola because of the adverse impact such a trade would have on the team's ability to keep Tony for the long term. Well they've essentially traded RJ's expiring deal for three more years of RJ. The odds of signing Tony to an extension just got substantially longer in my book. I still don't see a Tony trade this summer, but if the team in under-performing as we approach the trade deadline...

This is my biggest issue with the reported deal. I've said all along that I wouldn't mind RJ back if it didn't prohibitively hinder TPs chances of remaining here long-term.

If this is true, the dollar figure and amount of years has to have some implications for Tony's future.

[DPG21920]

real talk.

Don't do that. This is forming opinions based on logic. Just like you assuming RJ will be better next year.

By his logic, ST would be pointless unless we discussed only things we know for sure happened.

[ElNono]

I haven't taken the time to read thru the thread, so if these ideas have already been expressed please know that I haven't stolen your ideas, I merely share them.

If 4/40 is true:

1. Clear evidence that RJ and the Spurs had an agreement in place before RJ opted out.

2. Good news for Gee, Hairston, and Temple. Bad news for those hoping we would use the LLE or the remainder of the MLE. After Anderson is signed, the Spurs will have 10 players with fully guaranteed contracts. I estimate that they'll be about 3M under the lux tax threshold at that point. I can't see them doing this deal with RJ only to go back over the tax level. 3M will buy Gee, Hairston, and Temple. Perhaps enough for Gist as well.

3. Good news for the Trade Tony and Hate Tony crowd. I always thought that the Spurs wouldn't trade RJ's 15.2M expiring contract for a long-term contract like Iguadola because of the adverse impact such a trade would have on the team's ability to keep Tony for the long term. Well they've essentially traded RJ's expiring deal for three more years of RJ. The odds of signing Tony to an extension just got substantially longer in my book. I still don't see a Tony trade this summer, but if the team in under-performing as we approach the trade deadline...

That's what I thought...

Thanks for confirming that...

[DesignatedT]

I don't know why you guys keep on thinking Pop will play rookies for anything more than 10 mins in the playoffs, if at all. Yeah, I'm including Splitter. I really can't recall that happening this side of Ginobili. I mean the only exception I can remember is Hill getting 20 mins in '08 basically when we were already waved the white flag.
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Well what rookies has pop sat on the bench that should have played? Obviously Parker was starting his rookie season. Manu played his rookie year. Hill could have been utilized more and he publicly said he made a mistake on that. Blair could have gotten some more minutes last year i guess? who else? you act like he has been piling rookies on our bench who should have been playing the last decade? I can think of one... Beno Udrih, who did play for us as a rookie unfortunately.

[ohmwrecker]

Hey, go back to the main page! RC is on the intertubes!

[ElNono]

So? Four years from now the Spurs window will be closed, nailed shut and bricked over so RJ's presence doesn't hurt anything.

His contract does...

[teeclark]

2005 roster people:
HtWtBirth DateExpCollege17Brent BarryG6-6185December 31, 19719Oregon State University12Bruce BowenF6-7185June 14, 19718California State University, Fullerton23Devin BrownG6-5220December 30, 19782University of Texas at San Antonio21Tim DuncanF-C6-11248April 25, 19767Wake Forest University20Manu GinobiliG6-6210July 28, 197721Dion GloverG6-5228October 22, 19785Georgia Ins ute of Technology5Robert HorryF6-9220August 25, 197012University of Alabama43Linton JohnsonF6-8205June 13, 19801Tulane University4Sean MarksF-C6-10250August 23, 19754University of California34Tony MassenburgF6-9220July 31, 196712University of Maryland2Nazr MohammedC6-10221September 5, 19776University of Kentucky8Rasho NesterovicC7-0248May 30, 197669Tony ParkerG6-2180May 17, 198233Glenn RobinsonF6-7225January 10, 197310Purdue University31Malik RoseF6-7250November 23, 19748Drexel University14Beno UdrihG6-3205July 5, 1982R11Mike WilksG5-10185May 7, 19792Rice University

All NBA Type stuff huh??????


Team game people that extends past one player or another. Lets let RJ show us he is a complete coward befor we burn him to the stake

[DPG21920]

So? Four years from now the Spurs window will be closed, nailed shut and bricked over so RJ's presence doesn't hurt anything.

It certainly hurts the re building process. Are the spurs a contender with RJ this year?

[DesignatedT]

Don't do that. This is forming opinions based on logic. Just like you assuming RJ will be better next year.

By his logic, ST would be pointless unless we discussed only things we know for sure happened.

touche