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    Parker = Wade
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    Oh dear Lord.......

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    what is that supposed to mean then? focusing on the future...? I don't understand. You think there are many teams who have a better shot at winning a le than the Spurs? We knocked out #2 seed Dallas with RJ and Bonner.

    Dallas is better suited to win a ring though? with mahinmi i guess..
    You aren't understanding. The Spurs are in the same spot this year with or without RJ for the most part.

    If that is the case, don't sign his ass to a LTD. Spurs got swept. There are plenty of teams better or as good as the Spurs if you use logic and LA and the Heat are head and shoulders above the Spurs.

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    Maybe for this upcoming season... but 4 more years????
    True. I would have taken him for 2-3 years max, but maybe just maybe the 4th year is an option. But hey no one ever really wins in contract negotiations. I'm sure the Spurs wanted to give less money and or years, but at the same time the player has to watch out for himself and long term security, thus the contract they ended up at...

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    Not without Bowen on the roster, he's not.

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    @ The ESPN, Yahoo and AOL basketball guys scrambling for RJ's contract info. Everyone is calling the same people and no one knows for sure. We should get confirmation on these figures but it's going to be later tonight . . . .

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    Think of it this way. RJ was going to cost the Spurs 22 mil for one year (salary and penalty). Spurs make a deal and basically give that whole amount to RJ (which was going to be spent anyway) and an additional 3 years at 6 mil per. Total cash outlay 40 mil divided over 4 years.

    When Holt looks in his wallet he spends the same amount of money plus he gets a starting SF for 6 mil per year for an additional 3 years that will be trade bait at 10mil on the 4th year.

    The only thing that is left is now to get RJ to effectively play his position. That means RJ playing SF the way we need him, Spur players also playing to RJs strengths and coach Pop not playing RJ out of position anymore.
    Worst reasoning ever. Everyone that read this is now dumber.

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    It's semantics.

    It's like, "Hey, if you can go out and average 30 a game and lead us to a championship ... we'd love to pick up that option!"

    Ain't a chance in they pick up a $15M dollar option on a 34-year-old RJ after Tim and Manu are gone.
    A big, unguaranteed, expiring contract could be a great trade chip, though.

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    As far as Miami:

    Duncan > Bosh
    Parker = Wade
    Ginobili = LeBron

    RJ, Splitter, Hill, Blair, Bonner > Miami scrubs

    So yes I think we have a chance at a le.
    I love the Spurs to my man.

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    Think of it this way. RJ was going to cost the Spurs 22 mil for one year (salary and penalty). Spurs make a deal and basically give that whole amount to RJ (which was going to be spent anyway) and an additional 3 years at 6 mil per. Total cash outlay 40 mil divided over 4 years.

    When Holt looks in his wallet he spends the same amount of money plus he gets a starting SF for 6 mil per year for an additional 3 years that will be trade bait at 10mil on the 4th year.

    The only thing that is left is now to get RJ to effectively play his position. That means RJ playing SF the way we need him, Spur players also playing to RJs strengths and coach Pop not playing RJ out of position anymore.
    Yea like putting RJ at PF wtf was up with that?

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    As far as Miami:

    Duncan > Bosh
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    RJ, Splitter, Hill, Blair, Bonner > Miami scrubs

    So yes I think we have a chance at a le.
    Is the blue missing?

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    Why? Does having RJ increase your chances to win a le? He might, and I say *might be able to keep you from sliding backwards, but he does nothing to move you forward imo.

    If that is the case, D-League scrub as you put it, who could arguably at least defend better than RJ makes more sense.
    I highly doubt that Hairston or Gee would be able to put up 12 ppg like RJ did last year. That, and Hairston is even more undersized than RJ. RJ has nowhere to go but up from here with the Spurs. I'm pretty sure the guy will be motivated to show that he isnt a bust here in San Antonio...

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    what is that supposed to mean then? focusing on the future...? I don't understand. You think there are many teams who have a better shot at winning a le than the Spurs? We knocked out #2 seed Dallas with RJ and Bonner.

    Dallas is better suited to win a ring though? with mahinmi i guess..
    and then got swept by the #3 seed with RJ and Bonner; Dallas could be better with some of their players new to the team last year getting better, but it's OK City and Portland that should be better.

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    Dallas unloaded contracts and picked up Chandler... they're targeting CP3 next offseason, and I think they'll get him. So they're indeed building to make a move in the near future.
    that wasn't the question but alright. good for dallas "Targeting" cp3. While I'm sure the Spurs would love to target some future free agents it's going to be no use when they come here (which is a long shot at best, its obvious we have to get players via the draft and no FA) and manu and duncan are already 35 and retired.

    If you would have rather the Spurs blew it up than re-sign RJ than say that. That's what DPG is saying. it. Let Duncan play with Hairston, Gee and Gary ing Neal.

    fact is the Spurs are still better than Dallas... and most other teams in the league

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    Why would RJ be motivated? He just got a big fat paycheck.

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    Think of it this way. RJ was going to cost the Spurs 22 mil for one year (salary and penalty). Spurs make a deal and basically give that whole amount to RJ (which was going to be spent anyway) and an additional 3 years at 6 mil per. Total cash outlay 40 mil divided over 4 years.
    It's arguable that RJ is worth $6m/season right now. He's only getting older and he's a guy that completely relies in his athleticism. If you would have told me that Holt broke even, or ended up paying about MLE money for him after all the math is done, then I could understand. But that is not this.

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    You aren't understanding. The Spurs are in the same spot this year with or without RJ for the most part.

    If that is the case, don't sign his ass to a LTD. Spurs got swept. There are plenty of teams better or as good as the Spurs if you use logic and LA and the Heat are head and shoulders above the Spurs.
    The only teams the Spurs really have to worry about in the West are L.A and possibly OKC. I still do not trust teams like the Mavs...

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    RJ has nowhere to go but up from here with the Spurs. I'm pretty sure the guy will be motivated to show that he isnt a bust here in San Antonio...
    Over 30 forwards that rely primarily on their athleticism normal head down.

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    I highly doubt that Hairston or Gee would be able to put up 12 ppg like RJ did last year. That, and Hairston is even more undersized than RJ. RJ has nowhere to go but up from here with the Spurs. I'm pretty sure the guy will be motivated to show that he isnt a bust here in San Antonio...
    Nope, but a combo of Malik + Filler could get close enough imo and the defense would be a of a lot better. Along with the energy.

    I know RJ is clearly a superior player over those guys, but that impact is not felt on the Spurs because of fit. RJ is still a talented player though.

    It's hard to be motivated when you get paid 40M for doing nothing for a team. It's not all his fault, the fit is just not right.

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    wow. that's a lot of money. maybe Pop thinks RJ will somehow do a 180 for next season. otherwise, they're just way overpaying for him. and with that kind of contract, SA is going ot have a hard time trading him if it doesn't pan out.

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    and then got swept by the #3 seed with RJ and Bonner; Dallas could be better with some of their players new to the team last year getting better, but it's OK City and Portland that should be better.
    Portland? OKC yes but Portland has guys like Oden and Roy (although I like Roy) who cant stay healthy for ..

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    and then got swept by the #3 seed with RJ and Bonner; Dallas could be better with some of their players new to the team last year getting better, but it's OK City and Portland that should be better.
    and we couldn't? Splitter, Anderson? Blair and Hill developing? RJ getting more familiar?

    we have by no means taken a step in the wrong direction. It might not have been the great leap we all wanted but fact is that wasn't possible, but we have no doubt set ourselves up with a better team this year. I don't understand how people don't see this.....

    4 years down the road.... I don't know. I don't care. Duncan will be gone and it will all have to start over anyway.

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    As far as Miami:

    Duncan > Bosh
    Parker = Wade
    Ginobili = LeBron

    RJ, Splitter, Hill, Blair, Bonner > Miami scrubs

    So yes I think we have a chance at a le.
    HUh? Parker and Ginobili have NEVER been equal to Wade or Lebron in terms of playing ability.

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    No, that would have left a much lower starting figure
    So either the Spurs are going into the tax, or choosing not to spend one of the MLE remainder and the LLE?

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    that wasn't the question but alright. good for dallas "Targeting" cp3. While I'm sure the Spurs would love to target some future free agents it's going to be no use when they come here (which is a long shot at best, its obvious we have to get players via the draft and no FA) and manu and duncan are already 35 and retired.

    If you would have rather the Spurs blew it up than re-sign RJ than say that. That's what DPG is saying. it. Let Duncan play with Hairston, Gee and Gary ing Neal.

    fact is the Spurs are still better than Dallas... and most other teams in the league
    You can keep telling yourself that. Fact is Dallas at worst stayed the same, at best improved a little with Chandler. But when you look at the numbers, they just unloaded a couple of really bad contracts, and Chandler is also an expiring. So looking forward, they actually do look great to target Melo/CP3 or whoever else.
    We, on the other hand, just loaded up on large, long term contracts just to keep the status quo.

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