RJ's Contract Details

[mingus]

the only thing that gives me confidence is that for 1 whol year he shot 39% from three. maybe there's a chance we see that again. otherwise, i see no possible postives from this. they should've just pursued Barnes harder and given him a 2-year deal like Toronto.

[DPG21920]

that wasn't the question but alright. good for dallas "Targeting" cp3. While I'm sure the Spurs would love to target some future free agents it's going to be no use when they come here (which is a long shot at best, its obvious we have to get players via the draft and no FA) and manu and duncan are already 35 and retired.

If you would have rather the Spurs blew it up than re-sign RJ than say that. That's what DPG is saying. it. Let Duncan play with Hairston, Gee and Gary ing Neal.

fact is the Spurs are still better than Dallas... and most other teams in the league

No. That is not what I am saying. That is what you are saying. Not signing RJ to a long term deal is not blowing it up. In fact, I argued the Spurs could be better off short term with Malik/filler/possible trade mid season. The fit would be better imo. Even if not, the difference in them having a legit shot at a le does not change very much at all with or without RJ, so why do it. That is what I am saying.

[crc21209]

Nope, but a combo of Malik + Filler could get close enough imo and the defense would be a of a lot better. Along with the energy.

I know RJ is clearly a superior player over those guys, but that impact is not felt on the Spurs because of fit. RJ is still a talented player though.

It's hard to be motivated when you get paid 40M for doing nothing for a team. It's not all his fault, the fit is just not right.

I'm pretty sure you stick any guy who was used to dominating the ball on a team and he will fail. It takes some getting used to. And I firmly believe in the "failing in 1st yr as a Spur only to bounce back the 2nd yr" theory. Fin didnt do so hot in his 1st year as a Spur, and improved the next year. As did Big Shot Rob...

[benefactor]

So either the Spurs are going into the tax, or choosing not to spend one of the MLE remainder and the LLE?

Now that they have dropped a bunch of cash on bull , they will not spend anything else to stay out of the tax.

[Fabbs]

HUh? Parker and Ginobili have NEVER been equal to Wade or Lebron in terms of playing ability.

2005 Finals my friend.
2007 Finals.

GNob and Parker were as good as can be.
Wades 2006 Finals it's a bit hard to gauge as he got 50% of the Kobe treatment.

[HarlemHeat37]

So I guess Jefferson will be the new Finley here in a year or 2..

[ohmwrecker]

Dallas unloaded contracts and picked up Chandler... they're targeting CP3 next offseason, and I think they'll get him. So they're indeed building to make a move in the near future.

Would you trade RJ, Bonner & Splitter for Chandler & Mahinmi?

And CP3 is gon' be in NYC next year ballin' wif Melo & Amare cuz.

[crc21209]

You can keep telling yourself that. Fact is Dallas at worst stayed the same, at best improved a little with Chandler. But when you look at the numbers, they just unloaded a couple of really bad contracts, and Chandler is also an expiring. So looking forward, they actually do look great to target Melo/CP3 or whoever else.
We, on the other hand, just loaded up on large, long term contracts just to keep the status quo.

Lets get real now though, no "big" name free agent has ever gone to Dallas. After all they did have that big Dampier "trade chip" that was supposed to land them something big, and instead they landed an injury prone Tyson Chandler...

[underdawg]

Portland? OKC yes but Portland has guys like Oden and Roy (although I like Roy) who cant stay healthy for ..

you're probably right, but they could be dangerous

NUM PLAYER POS HT WT DOB FROM YRS
12 LaMarcus Aldridge F 6-11 240 07/19/1985 Texas 4
11 Luke Babbitt F 6-9 225 06/20/1989 Nevada-Reno R
88 Nicolas Batum F 6-8 200 12/14/1988 Lisieux, France 2
4 Jerryd Bayless G 6-3 200 08/20/1988 Arizona 2
21 Marcus Camby C-F 6-11 235 03/22/1974 Massachusetts 14
33 Dante Cunningham F 6-8 230 04/22/1987 Villanova 1
27 Travis Diener (FA) G 6-1 175 03/01/1982 Marquette 5
5 Rudy Fernandez G 6-6 185 04/04/1985 Palma de Mallorca, Spain 2
Armon Johnson ** G 6-3 195 02/23/1989 Nevada-Reno R
2 Wesley Matthews G 6-5 220 10/14/1986 Marquette 1
24 Andre Miller G 6-2 200 03/19/1976 Utah 11
8 Patrick Mills (FA) G 6-0 185 08/11/1988 St. Mary's (CA) 1
52 Greg Oden C 7-0 285 01/22/1988 Ohio State 2
31 Jeff Pendergraph F 6-9 240 04/29/1987 Arizona State 1
10 Joel Przybilla C 7-1 245 10/10/1979 Minnesota 10
7 Brandon Roy G 6-6 211 07/23/1984 Washington 4
9 Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_ Williams G 6-5 180 06/20/1989 Memphis R

[baseline bum]

If that's what the Spurs promised, then they had to live up to it. But , that was incredibly stupid to promise him that deal if they did. I would have much rather used his expiring deal to steal a player or two from a financially strapped team or let him walk to New Jersey for a trade exception. As it stands, this is a Raptors-esque signing.

[angelbelow]

Well the positives.. RJ has apparently been working out with Pop... and Pop is no idiot. Perhaps RJ will be a positive surprise next season.

Also, if RJ was lowballed to a 6-7 million dollar contract, he would likely not give a about improving. And just play lazy style basketball. At least this way he gets a contract that he likes which may help his motivation to transition into a player that will better fit the system.

[Pauleta14]

There is no way to know this at this point because of the uncertainty of the future collective bargaining agreement. It probably doesn't hinder the Spurs tendering an extension offer now, but the question is: does Tony want to commit at this point?

the question isn't "does he want to stay?", why wouldn't he?
It's easier to stay in a club you know, where you're confortable, with a coach who knows you (and how to use you), in a city where you built your house... rather than starting again elsewhere!

I think only the spurs FO has the "cards" to decide...
Do they want TP on the long term? How much are they willing to offer? Will Holt agree to to pay the tax for a few more years? ...

I don't think next year CBA will have that much impact, because players will always want to be paid in comparaison to the other players of the same level! (sorry 4 my english). It's almost a matter of respect, you don't pay Tony for instance 10m$/year if the other elite PG are averaging 17M$/year!
Whatever the new CBA is...

It's up to Holt IMO...

[DesignatedT]

So I guess Jefferson will be the new Finley here in a year or 2..

year or 2? more like now.

[spursbird]

If it was not Splitter signing 3yrs 10mil, the Spurs FO would totally suck this summer. Two garbage contracts.

[crc21209]

well the positives.. Rj has apparently been working out with pop... And pop is no idiot. Perhaps rj will be a positive surprise next season.

Also, if rj was lowballed to a 6-7 million dollar contract, he would likely not give a about improving. And just play lazy style basketball. At least this way he gets a contract that he likes which may help his motivation to transition into a player that will better fit the system.

+1

[mingus]

this off-season was very oxmoronic. we get Splitter... and re-sign RJ. i wanna jump up and cry at the same time.

[Chomag]

I cannot believe the Spurs FO is this foolish. In fact, I know they aren't. These moves have to be working toward something else.

I wish it was this, but what team would want these long term bloated contracts that Spur' FOs have given Bonner and RJ? Unfortunately I feel this will only guarantee locking these players up as spurs for a very long while.

What has gotten it in the heads of our FO that these said players deserve this is what I honestly would like to know.

It's gonna be a long 4 years.

[Mhak]

hahaha!! Don't make fun of LongtimeSpursFan.. He is just a kid.. He is clearly stating this as a real spursfan..

[DPG21920]

It's also funny how you say "f*ck it, let Tim play with Malik, Gee and Neal" while the Spurs before RJ & Dice said "f*ck it, let Tim play with Bonner, Mason & Udoka" .

Spurs might be worse off without RJ back, but not enough where it justifies a long term deal. You don't sign bad fits to stupid contracts to get marginally better when your goal is to give yourself a legit shot to win a le.

You can spout off all you want about how we beat the Mavs, but the fact is that series could have gone either way. The Suns flat out swept our ass and you keep ignoring that fact and saying "the Spurs weren't far off from the other teams".

There are a lot of teams that can easily be argued ahead of the Spurs, with a small handful that are true contenders above everyone.

[crc21209]

you're probably right, but they could be dangerous

NUM PLAYER POS HT WT DOB FROM YRS
12 LaMarcus Aldridge F 6-11 240 07/19/1985 Texas 4
11 Luke Babbitt F 6-9 225 06/20/1989 Nevada-Reno R
88 Nicolas Batum F 6-8 200 12/14/1988 Lisieux, France 2
4 Jerryd Bayless G 6-3 200 08/20/1988 Arizona 2
21 Marcus Camby C-F 6-11 235 03/22/1974 Massachusetts 14
33 Dante Cunningham F 6-8 230 04/22/1987 Villanova 1
27 Travis Diener (FA) G 6-1 175 03/01/1982 Marquette 5
5 Rudy Fernandez G 6-6 185 04/04/1985 Palma de Mallorca, Spain 2
Armon Johnson ** G 6-3 195 02/23/1989 Nevada-Reno R
2 Wesley Matthews G 6-5 220 10/14/1986 Marquette 1
24 Andre Miller G 6-2 200 03/19/1976 Utah 11
8 Patrick Mills (FA) G 6-0 185 08/11/1988 St. Mary's (CA) 1
52 Greg Oden C 7-0 285 01/22/1988 Ohio State 2
31 Jeff Pendergraph F 6-9 240 04/29/1987 Arizona State 1
10 Joel Przybilla C 7-1 245 10/10/1979 Minnesota 10
7 Brandon Roy G 6-6 211 07/23/1984 Washington 4
9 Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_ Williams G 6-5 180 06/20/1989 Memphis R

You can scratch Rudy from that list. Dude doesnt wanna play for the Blazers or anywhere in the NBA for that matter...

[benefactor]

Spur fans are lipsticking the pig in this thread at an epic level.

[DesignatedT]

Spurs didn't take a step backwards is all im trying to say. We are by far a better team than we were last season while a lot of other teams got worse. Is this move the best 3 years down the road? Probably not, but with Duncan retiring I'm not particularly worried about that. To say the Spurs have no shot at contending for the le is just re ed. You might as well tell every other team not named LA, ORL and MIA the same thing. There are a lot more positives to look forward to on our team than negatives this upcoming season.

[Das Texan]

Awesome.


We got ed. Holt cat though at least keeps some of that lux tax cash.


Perhaps he can go buy a new tractor or two with it.

[Chomag]

Well the positives.. RJ has apparently been working out with Pop... and Pop is no idiot. Perhaps RJ will be a positive surprise next season.

Sorry to say, but this rumor has been debunked by RJ himself.

[Muser]

We got swept by the Suns and the Lakers beat the Suns in 6, who then beat Boston in 7. Yeah this team isn't anywhere near a le.