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Bonner is going to be so much better next year knowing he is going to get paid.
It's all fun and games to laugh at mavfan. But if you actually take a closer look at the deal they pulled, they basically kicked the ball to the next offseason. Chandler is expiring. They unloaded Matt Carroll and his horrendous contract.Lets get real now though, no "big" name free agent has ever gone to Dallas.After all they did have that big Dampier "trade chip" that was supposed to land them something big, and instead they landed an injury prone Tyson Chandler...
And as we like to gloat about Hill and Blair improving, Roddy is a terrific kid for them who will also have a season under his belt.
Bonner is going to be so much better next year knowing he is going to get paid.
I don't think people are saying the Spurs got worse. What we are saying is the goal is to win a le and the Spurs did nothing to put themselves in a spot to do so.
They got marginally better when they needed to get significantly better. So with that in mind, it makes no sense to saddle yourself with long term deals for bad fits and playoff chokers.
It's also funny how you say "f*ck it, let Tim play with Malik, Gee and Neal" while the Spurs before RJ & Dice said "f*ck it, let Tim play with Bonner, Mason & Udoka"
Spurs might be worse off without RJ back, but not enough where it justifies a long term deal. You don't sign bad fits to stupid contracts to get marginally better when your goal is to give yourself a legit shot to win a le.
You can spout off all you want about how we beat the Mavs, but the fact is that series could have gone either way. The Suns flat out swept our ass and you keep ignoring that fact and saying "the Spurs weren't far off from the other teams".
There are a lot of teams that can easily be argued ahead of the Spurs, with a small handful that are true contenders above everyone.
True. But the Suns swept our ass with Amare and Nash runnin' the P&R while opening up the 3 pt shot for idiots like Frye and Dudley. Now with Amare gone, and Hedo in...the Suns should slide down...
any confirmation yet?
Reward for suck ude? It's really hard to understand what the Spurs were thinking regarding both these guys.
I think when the PO's come around, we will hardly see Bonner anyway. We have too many guys who are better than him and are more clutch than him at that position...TD, Dice, Blair, and now Splitter. Bonner is the 5th big and should only be brought in for 10-15 mpg at the most...
It baffles me how everyone acts as if this roster is substandard in talent to previous rosters the spurs have fielded! We don't win with names in san antonio; we rely on cohesion and attention to detail. We will be fine moving forward even if we never really know what fueled this latest signing.
That Mavs move was for this year no doubt. Even if Chandler, Carroll & Eddie's contracts are off the books, Mavs are still over the cap next year.
This move bought them more time to trade an expiring contract at the deadline for someone who shakes loose.
Famous last words...
He will play bonner more than Blair and Splitter.. I guarantee it..
so.. no team wanted to pay jefferson more than $6 million a year and the spurs go ahead and give him a $10 million/yr contract? wtf? so un-spurslike. are the spurs really going to pay $10 million a year for a guy that averages 12 pts, can't make consistent 3's, nor play consistent defense?
Mainly depends on health imo. Tony Parker went from being a top player in the league to just average and missed out on a lot of games due to health and Ginobili got his nose broken in the playoffs. Lakers also only finished 2 wins higher than the Mavs and without HCA and having a core roster thats played as many minutes as they have in the past few years; WCF is within the realm of possibility. Odom's also playing for Team USA in the summer so its about time that those miles really started to catch up with another team
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There's always hope, but I just can't see his defense improving by leaps and bounds based on last years effort. The open shots will come with confidence, but that also has to change dramatically from last year.
Hill will be better and Blair will be better, but if Butler and Haywood are significantly better along with Roddy getting playing time - Dallas will be much more improved.
Splitter and Anderson's progress depends a lot on Pop's willingness to give them the minutes needed for them to grow.
That's just were we disagree. We improved our team the best we could without having to blow up the big 3 which would just be a disaster. There is a lot of potential in our young guys to turn into really good players in this league which could help put us over the top.
I would have rather gotten "marginally better" than give up, get worse, and start looking towards the future when we still have #21 on the roster. just my opinion of course.
That is because those guys had obvious, proven skill sets that fit the Spurs. 3 PT shooting.
dbestpro has got it right.
However, he is not even counting the money that the Spurs would miss out on in the luxury tax pool ... likely another 2 - 3 million.
i.e. if RJ stayed on his contract, the cost would be $15 mill + 7 mill luxury tax + 3 mill missed from luxury tax rebate: $25 mill RJ cost for 2010-11.
he leaves, you have to pay some new small forward $5 mill/year for 3 years to break even. Who would you get for that amount? Total $40 mill
or
instead of paying all of those luxury tax penalties to the league, you pay RJ the $40 mill and you have a SF for 4 years.
bottom line, RJ's salary hit this year was going to leave the Spurs on the hook for a cost of about $25 mill this year. Might as well pro rate it and get more bang for your buck. Hopefully, there is still some bang left in RJ.
Nobody was touching that Carroll contract except Jordan and only by unloading the DUST chip. They're on a position now where they can make a nice package with Chandler expiring and a few not so horrible contracts and go for CP3 in February. You know Cuban has the hots for him and he'll throw the kitchen sink at him if he has to.
Agreed, nobody was biting the DUST chip; Tyson prolongs it until the trade deadline when some people may want to dump some contracts.
Lets face it. The Spurs window is only 2-3 years at the max anyway, so RJ's contract is going to mean by the time we get to the third and 4th year anyway. This team just needs to focus on staying healthy and gunning for one more le RIGHT NOW. The most important part of this Off-season wasnt even signing Splitter or anyone...but the fact that our Big 3 are all resting up as we speak for this upcoming season..which IMO means more to this team than signing or not signing someone out there...
Bold prediction time! RJ will exceed expectations more than Splitter this season.
Feel free to bump this and bash me around All-Star break.
He opted out. He would've cost them nothing.dbestpro has got it right.
However, he is not even counting the money that the Spurs would miss out on in the luxury tax pool ... likely another 2 - 3 million.
i.e. if RJ stayed on his contract, the cost would be $15 mill + 7 mill luxury tax + 3 mill missed from luxury tax rebate: $25 mill RJ cost for 2010-11.
he leaves, you have to pay some new small forward $5 mill/year for 3 years to break even. Who would you get for that amount? Total $40 mill
or
instead of paying all of those luxury tax penalties to the league, you pay RJ the $40 mill and you have a SF for 4 years.
bottom line, RJ's salary hit this year was going to leave the Spurs on the hook for a cost of about $25 mill this year. Might as well pro rate it and get more bang for your buck. Hopefully, there is still some bang left in RJ.
sounds like a great reliable plan to start the season. " , we might be able to get cp3 around february if we're lucky"
I have already explained why letting RJ walk does not make the Spurs significantly worse THIS YEAR. It is not giving up when you have a chance to be better off than the year before.
Having RJ or not having RJ, I think the Spurs have close to the same shot. When you factor in TP bouncing back and Tiago, the Spurs did the same thing without the ty RJ contract.
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