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    Yet pessimist is the appropriate description.
    As I said, it's a difference of opinion. It's not my problem that all of you decide to get all butthurt because someone doesn't just fall in line and agree that signing RJ was this brilliant idea.

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    You do realize bonner is getting paid only 3 mil this season right? According to sham sports ( http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ries/spurs.jsp ) Bonners contract is actually slightly over 13 mil with the last season being unguranteed. Sorry to dissappoint.
    You do realize that it doesn't matter. Splitter was paid less than that. Worst case scenario from RJ's opting out is really that Splitter would get a contract and Bonner wouldn't.

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    Seriously, 1 preseason game....So after every bad game for RJ (including preseason) you are gonna have posts like this one. Dude, you better than this.
    Yes. And . . . No, he's not.
    I don't see yall saying this in Timvp's game thoughts, were he is saying the exact same things

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    I don't see yall saying this in Timvp's game thoughts, were he is saying the exact same things
    Paste everything else I said.

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    Of course it is premature to say RJ's second year is a failure at this point. You have to give it time. But all we have to go off of at this point is a bunch or cheerleader talk from Pop and RJ and the handful of practices, scrimmage and game.

    Based on what was seen so far, combined with all of last year, acting like there is not a legit concern is just as silly as calling him a bust at the moment.

    BTW, I cannot believe people keep trying to use the "RJ allowed the Spurs to sign Tiago" argument. You might be able to argue a few things about RJ's contract, but that is not one of them. Go a different route.

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    ^ Not the point and I don't care what you say. The big RJ 3 (Ohm, you and Yazo) when certain people say (obvious) things about RJ at the moment, but you don't when someone else (like Timvp) makes the same observations (although maybe in a more palatable way for the big 3).

    Is he a complete bust yet? Not sure. Is what we have seen so far after all the hype positive? No.

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    ^ Not the point and I don't care what you say. The big RJ 3 (Ohm, you and Yazo) when certain people say (obvious) things about RJ at the moment, but you don't when someone else (like Timvp) makes the same observations (although maybe in a more palatable way for the big 3).

    Is he a complete bust yet? Not sure. Is what we have seen so far after all the hype positive? No.


    How is this ing...

    RJ does not suck for not playing like a 40 million dollar-1st option one pre-season game.

    I know it's already October 7th and I know how it can be to overreact. But the season is young.

    I've never said RJ is a great player. I've never said RJ is the perfect fit.

    What I have said is that RJ was the best option the Spurs could have realistically attained this past summer. (What I mean by realistically is looking at all the options and having an opinion on how realistically each option is; this was the most realistic/best option in my view. That was my opinion after considering all the "realistic" options.)

    I also have said RJ's contract doesn't effect the Spurs from going out and signing a significant free agent the next 2 seasons anyway because the Spurs wouldn't have the significant cash (with or without RJ) to add a quality free agent due to Manu and Tim's contract on the books. And the length of RJ's contract (4 years) isn't that worrisome because of this factor.

    I by no means think RJ is great. I just was and am aware of the realistic side of things in my opinion.

    I expect RJ to be inconsistent on the offensive end (Limited touches will make this a reality). What I hope for is improvement in his consistency on the other end of the floor. Which is realistic to hope for.

    Not only did the Spurs stay with the "win now" philosophy by signing their best and most realistic option, but this prearranged deal saved Holt roughly 25 million dollars. That is huge in the eyes of management.

    So far as a Spur, considering last year and one preseason game this year?

    Sucks isn't accurate.

    Inconsistent, yes.

    Which means some games bad, some games good. Which was good enough to help get passed the Mavs, aided by his good performances games 2 and 4. Was it good enough to get past the Suns? No it wasn't. But it's not his fault, he actually played really well games 2 and 4. The Spurs just didn't have a bench and Suns hit every shot they threw up in the 4th quarters. In my opinion, Spurs' main horses were just too gassed at the end of games (4th quarters) and it effected their defensive and offensive execution (having no bench being the culprit).

    Hopefully this upcoming season Splitter, an improved Blair, Anderson and Temple can prevent this from happening again.
    Hey but if it makes you feel better, keep trying to group me with people that bring up completely different reasoning on this issue.

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    Do you honestly not see the difference in the posts? Jesus, dude . . . take a couple of days off from the doobage and clear the head.
    Making a one game analysis of RJ's (and all other players) performance where there is context is completely different than months of "lol RJ", "lol 40 mil", "lol gay" posts followed by bumping your own stupid thread, telling everyone what they think and that you are, in fact, not a mouth breathing mongoloid, but actually, a devilishly clever genius who has fooled us all.

    I'm sorry, but . . . L O ing L.

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    As far as the ing goes . . . it goes both ways, sweetheart.

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    I about you? I follow almost every single comment on RJ from you? I make RJ observations in RJ applicable threads (games where he is playing, discussion on SF's, his interviews) and you come sprinting in .

    I don't call him gay or "lol" him, and I don't bash him for things that aren't there. Many people see what I see, but when myself or someone else makes an argument, you guys cry, but when Timvp does it, you say "ohhhhhhhh, ok".

    So the fact Timvp post other thoughts alongside his doubts of RJ make it ok . Because in the game thread, I was commenting on a lot of players as well.

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    great ing small forward

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    I about you? I follow almost every single comment on RJ from you? I make RJ observations in RJ applicable threads (games where he is playing, discussion on SF's, his interviews) and you come sprinting in .
    I don't " " about you . . . ever. You have a real gift for exaggeration, dude. I was referring to what is interpreted as " ing" about the topic.

    I don't call him gay or "lol" him, and I don't bash him for things that aren't there. Many people see what I see, but when myself or someone else makes an argument, you guys cry, but when Timvp does it, you say "ohhhhhhhh, ok".
    I wasn't talking about you there, cowboy. I never "cry". I just disagree. I don't begrudge anyone their opinion, just the method. I've never been a Timvp yes man. That claim is patently ridiculous. I've always thought of our discussions as just that . . . discussions. I don't come back later and say you are ing and crying. If anything, you obviously seem to have more of a problem with me disagreeing with you than I do with you.

    So the fact Timvp post other thoughts alongside his doubts of RJ make it ok . Because in the game thread, I was commenting on a lot of players as well.
    No, because it is relevant to a bigger picture and not (I'm not talking about you specifically) peppered with gay jokes, lols and emoticons. I didn't wholly agree with Timvp either, by the way.

    And as far as game threads go . . . that is a different animal and I treat it as such. I am very rarely serious in a game thread. If I offended you personally, or upset you by responding to something you said, just let me know and I will stop. I'm not going to call you a crybaby or a .

    As far as I am concerned, you and I are cool. If that's wrong, that's OK too.

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    great ing small forward
    I don't get it. Could you elaborate? Ask somebody for help if you need to.

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    I don't " " about you . . . ever. You have a real gift for exaggeration, dude.

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    ElNono, no no no no no . . . you just don't get it, man.


    And, really? The Ralph Wiggum pic is ing? If that is your criteria, you are a little too sensitive.

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    It's crazy that I've become somewhat of an RJ backer or one who sympathizes with the Spurs' decision to re-up him, but crazier things have definitely happened.

    I was against the trade from the jump, have stated on multiple occasions he did not fit, and I've also said he couldn't be a legitimate starter on this team if they planned on winning a championship.

    I haven't changed my tune or belief.

    But, The Spurs were guaranteed to not win a championship this year had he gone elsewhere. Guar-an-teed. The bulk of their MLE would have gone to Splitter and then the Spurs would have been forced with the proposition of signing borderline NBA players and vet minimums to fill out their roster -- in a year they're thinking could be their last with the Big 3.

    However small a chance it is that the Spurs could win a championship this year with RJ on the team, there's still a chance. They could conceivably win a le with him being a token starter, bench player or someone who's just not in the starting 5 that finishes the game. There's a chance the Spurs could find a rotation player for their defensive needs on the wing. They could maybe even go smaller and quicker on the perimeter to take away the lane and give up the jumper. There's a chance a player could be attained or a scheme could be devised.

    The Spurs promised Tim they'd put together the best team possible when he signed his extension for less. They gave him and the team a chance.

    So it's not about RJ being the difference maker anymore or lamenting the re-signing. It's just coming to terms with the reality and hoping for the best.

    Now excuse me while I get off this thing . . .


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    ElNono, no no no no no . . . you just don't get it, man.

    And, really? The Ralph Wiggum pic is ing? If that is your criteria, you are a little too sensitive.
    Lighten up, Mr Wrecker...

    And no, it's not the picture but what I quoted. Think about it for a minute.

    This thread has ran it's course a long time ago. Either RJ is going to get better or he won't. And time will tell.

    In the meantime, we can keep on wasting time until the season starts.
    Please proceed...

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    No . . . Do I really have to use the ing blue font?

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    No . . . Do I really have to use the ing blue font?
    Are you ing again?

    You're cracking me up.

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    It's crazy that I've become somewhat of an RJ backer or one who sympathizes with the Spurs' decision to re-up him, but crazier things have definitely happened.

    I was against the trade from the jump, have stated on multiple occasions he did not fit, and I've also said he couldn't be a legitimate starter on this team if they planned on winning a championship.

    I haven't changed my tune or belief.

    But, The Spurs were guaranteed to not win a championship this year had he gone elsewhere. Guar-an-teed. The bulk of their MLE would have gone to Splitter and then the Spurs would have been forced with the proposition of signing borderline NBA players and vet minimums to fill out their roster -- in a year they're thinking could be their last with the Big 3.

    However small a chance it is that the Spurs could win a championship this year with RJ on the team, there's still a chance. They could conceivably win a le with him being a token starter, bench player or someone who's just not in the starting 5 that finishes the game. There's a chance the Spurs could find a rotation player for their defensive needs on the wing. They could maybe even go smaller and quicker on the perimeter to take away the lane and give up the jumper. There's a chance a player could be attained or a scheme could be devised.

    The Spurs promised Tim they'd put together the best team possible when he signed his extension for less. They gave him and the team a chance.

    So it's not about RJ being the difference maker anymore or lamenting the re-signing. It's just coming to terms with the reality and hoping for the best.

    Now excuse me while I get off this thing . . .


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    No . . . Do I really have to use the ing blue font?
    Do you really have to use such in' foul-language?

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    Whatcha' drinkin'?

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    "When people disagree with me they are the ones ing and crying, not me! I use lol and emoticons to illustrate how I am superior and mature. I am right. How dare you disagree with me?! You are the one taking this seriously because I am loling . . . See? See how I lol?!"

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    I love the gang here. Even if we're on completely opposite sides of the aisle.
    Don't you all ing forget that...

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    Do you really have to use such in' foul-language?
    ing A right I do.

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