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Then there is no argument. They're simply building a mosque in terrain they own. I don't know what you find abrasive about it.
You mean the Indonesia that just opened a $27 million Christian mega church that seats 4,500 in Jakarta last month?
I wouldn't want you to be exaggerating or anything...
Then there is no argument. They're simply building a mosque in terrain they own. I don't know what you find abrasive about it.
Did the govt open the church?
Or did private citizens?
I don't see how that proves your point. Indonesia is a secular state not a muslim state. Some of it's muslim citizens have been perpetrating brutal crimes there against humanity and committing genocide.
You can also google and find deaths, murders, and assinations occuring in that country by muslims. Btw.. Indonesia is both a muslim and chrisitan inhabited country but happens to hold the largest muslim population in the world.
Who are you to declare there is no argument. Nor do i find property rights abrasive. You didn't read my argument, nor do you show any effort to understand it. Please study the english language more, otherwise I refuse to discuss these matters with people who can't track their own arguments much less make out others.
I'm actually countering a point you never proved to begin with.
Yes, Indonesia has the most Muslims. Are the majority intolerant?
Not necessarily.
Given that the vast majority of their population is Muslim, I would expect the majority of the crime being carried out by Muslims. Correlation does not imply causation.
Ultimately, if what you're trying to express is that you distrust Muslims because, in your view, the majority of them are intolerant, then that's fine.
You're certainly en led to that.
I'm also en led to tell you that said view is based squarely on prejudice.
lol elnono pwn3d gtwon spur pretty bad. what difference does it make if it was opened by the government or private citzens
I don't find anybody else complaining about my English. Maybe you're the one with the reading comprehension problems.
You don't have to discuss anything with me. I opened the thread asking for thoughts about the construction of a Mosque near Ground Zero. If you want to start a thread about your own prejudices on Muslim people, by all means go ahead.
What difference does it make that the church was opened at all, i didn't bring it up he did.
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lol, who's that troll and why is he stalking you gTown?
What does that have to do with it. I'm not talking about looting theft, or defrauding, I'm talking about religous genocide, war, and killing of innocent school girls.
And the point that Muslims in Indonesia aren't tolerant because their secular govt allowed a church to be opened is re ed, that was your contention.
You can be intolerant and yet not have to commit a criminal act, and there are intolerant people in nations where there is tolerance.
I don't see how you cannot grasp the fact.
But when as a whole a culture of Islam beheads adulterers, gays, and sexual mischevieants, I don't know how you can conclude that it's only a small percentage of them.
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Ignore him.
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the reason elnono brought up the church in indonesia is because you said indonesia was an intolerant muslim country yet they allowed a 405405454545 dollar church to open up
LOL, he's trying to be taken seriously.
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Are those the majority of their crimes? I mean, I can see where they could have a minorities of religious extremists. But because of that paint all of them intolerant? What actual proof do you have of this?
Ultimately, it can't be that bad, since they actually have less deaths per 1000 than we do.
No, you're contending that the majority of them not tolerant, but have nothing to show for it.
I contend that there's evidence to the contrary. An intolerant country would simply not tolerate a massive temple from another religion.
Sure. But you have to demonstrate that they're indeed intolerant. I mean, I could just as easily claim that the vast majority of americans are intolerant. That I say it doesn't make it true.
The majority do? You know, this Mosque is going to be built in the US. US law applies. Tell me, how many US muslims "beheads adulterers, gays, and sexual mischevieants"?
i gather that's what "part of the mookie crew" means. You learned from Rita on how to take 4 s in the asshole.
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You don't get it. A secular country's actions does not indicate anything about it's muslim's world viewpoint, specifically because there are other faiths.
That's like saying that americans can't be racist because we have black history month.
Now, about the mosque.. I don't like it's inception not because of the intolerance of Islam, but because of the abrasivenes of the act to build it near ground zero.
Now about the intolerance and hate of the majority of muslims here are nice factoids..
http://markhumphrys.com/islamic.world.htmlPoll of Palestinians, Apr 2008. 51 percent of Palestinians support killing Jewish civilians. 65 percent support in Gaza.
Pew survey, May 2003, reported in International Herald Tribune, June 3, 2003 (here and here).
The majority in Morocco, Jordan, the Palestinian Authority, Kuwait, Lebanon, Indonesia and Pakistan want to end the state of Israel.
What the World Thinks in 2002 - survey, December 4, 2002
The majority of Lebanese support suicide bombing.
The majority of Nigerians who expressed an opinion support suicide bombing.
The majority of Bangladeshis who expressed an opinion support suicide bombing.
47 percent of Jordanians who expressed an opinion support suicide bombing.
43 percent of Pakistanis who expressed an opinion support suicide bombing.
A Year After Iraq War - survey, March 16, 2004
The majority in Jordan support suicide bombing of Jews.
The majority in Morocco support suicide bombing of Jews.
The majority who expressed an opinion in Pakistan support suicide bombing of Jews.
Supporting the killing of American and western civilians
The majority of Palestinians support the Sept 11th killings.
Palestinians dance in the streets on 9/11.
It was furiously claimed that these were just a small minority. But opinion polls showed this was not true. The majority of Palestinians supported 9/11.
73% of Palestinians supported suicide attacks against USA in Nov. 2000 poll
This is a good thing. It fantastically shows America's "real" values concerning freedom and tolerance. In this day and age of occupation, invasion, and mass troop movements, it's good to see there's still a bit of sanity left.
This make no sense. What other tangible way we have to know about "it's muslim's world viewpoint"? We just make it up as we go?
Well, it definitely tells me that while there might be a minority that is racist, the vast majority doesn't have that problem. Otherwise, there would be no black history month.
That's where the land they own is. What distance would make it not abrasive?
Is there a magic number?
Obviously, a lot of those countries, especially in the middle east, don't like Israel one bit and as accessory the US (since we basically side with them always). That said, you couldn't possibly say that's representative of the majority of Muslims. I mean, Indonesia has protested the state of Israel from the get go. Doesn't mean they send strapped bombers there. Countries like Egypt even help Israel with the Gaza blockade. Turkey has a huge colony of Israelis.
Again, if your main gripe with Muslims is their intolerance. How being intolerant yourself makes you any better than them?
I just gave you a batch of oppinion polling on the muslim world by country, that would be more accurate than grading their viewpoint by some secular govt.
Which doesn't support your claim, as I answered on that post.
And, again, how being intolerant of them make you any better/different than them?
I don't tolerate that which is evil and leads to destruction. Use your mind, do you think tolerating evil is better than not tolerating evil?
In those surveys also showed majorities in muslim populations supporting killing innocent civilians. I think the findings do support my case.
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