Mosque near Ground Zero - Thoughts?

[TeyshaBlue]

This is not a court of law, do you need actual statements or records to see that? Do you think he'd say those things in public to risk his property? Or can we go by the historical practice of Islam of always wanting to be abrasive towards their opponents. I mean these are the same guys who built mosques and veneration sites over jewish and christian ones. The same people who claimed jerusalem was a holy site only when the christians sought it even tho jerusalem had no importance to mohammed.

There is a Mosque not 4 blocks from my house. I've yet to be abraded. It was built about 4 years ago. I live in DFW, Redneck-land. Yet when it was announced, there was a huge lack of response by the surrounding neighborhoods. There was no projection of veneration sites nor shades of Jerusalem strife when it was built. Nor is there in this newest site in NY.
I guess there are some sites that fit your description, but let's leave the descriptors with them.

[Ignignokt]

One who dares to critique a putative "conservative" such as Darrin is automatically a leftist or attempting to curry favor. You're another worthless moron who's helped to destroy the American right.

Besides, you're not merely critiquing, you're being a total praise seeking by calling names, baiting, and mocking those ideological brethrenwho may have a wrong point of view, how does that help the american right?

Being total drama queens is not the way to go.

[Ignignokt]

There is a Mosque not 4 blocks from my house. I've yet to be abraded. It was built about 4 years ago. I live in DFW, Redneck-land. Yet when it was announced, there was a huge lack of response by the surrounding neighborhoods. There was no projection of veneration sites nor shades of Jerusalem strife when it was built. Nor is there in this newest site in NY.
I guess there are some sites that fit your description, but let's leave the descriptors with them.

So are you saying that Mine and darrin's argument is that mosque shoudn't be built anywhere?

[Marcus Bryant]

If this american right sees the return to fake balanced budgets due to borrowing money from lock boxes and interventions in the balklands, tech bubbles, and loose Fed reserve policy, as the pinnacle of American policy they too can go themselves.

Right. True conservatism is running bigger deficits, starting bigger wars, creating new en lements, pissing on the Cons ution, and giving a $700 billion blank check to the financial services firms.

[TeyshaBlue]

So are you saying that Mine and darrin's argument is that mosque shoudn't be built anywhere?

Nope. I'm saying the very act of building a mosque does not bring down all the descriptors you assigned to them earlier.

[Ignignokt]

Nope. I'm saying the very act of building a mosque does not bring down all the descriptors you assigned to them earlier.

Are we arguing the mere act of building a mosque?

I think you're missing 80 percent of the description of the argument.

[ElNono]

How could you argue it would be ok to build a church or a synagogue there but not a mosque, and then claim you're not discriminating?

[Ignignokt]

Right. True conservatism is running bigger deficits, starting bigger wars, creating new en lements, pissing on the Cons ution, and giving a $700 billion blank check to the financial services firms.

Lol False choice.

I don't want to return to Bush II, but you were the one yearning to return back to the 90's.

[Marcus Bryant]

Besides, you're not merely critiquing, you're being a total praise seeking by calling names, baiting, and mocking those ideological brethrenwho may have a wrong point of view, how does that help the american right?

Being total drama queens is not the way to go.

The right has been destroyed by those I mock.

[TeyshaBlue]

Are we arguing the mere act of building a mosque?

I think you're missing 80 percent of the description of the argument.

Possible. I'm trying to debug a VB script while I'm reading this thread.

I get what you're saying. The location is what's driving the problem. I can appreciate that, but that arguement also attributes motives to the Iman that we simply don't know.

[Marcus Bryant]

Lol False choice.

How so? At some point "conservatives" have to own up to the reality of American federal governance circa January 2001 through January 2007.

[Ignignokt]

How could you argue it would be ok to build a church or a synagogue there but not a mosque, and then claim you're not discriminating?

It's more complex than that. And don't be so thick headed. Wouldn't you see it wrong to build a church near a holy site dear to the muslims? I would. But that scenario is not the same as the NYC one. Ground zero is not a religous site, i see, but too many people Islam seems to have been a reason why that site is the way it is currently.

Plus the terrorist were not jews or christians. They were muslims.

[Ignignokt]

How so? At some point "conservatives" have to own up to the reality of American federal governance circa January 2001 through January 2007.

It's a false choice you've given me. I never said i'd like to return to that age of stupid governance.

When you pair one stupid act (Bush II) against the other (Clinton), stupidy still wins. That's your contribution to the american right.

[Ignignokt]

The right has been destroyed by those I mock.

thank u crusader!

[Marcus Bryant]

It's a false choice you've given me. I never said i'd like to return to that age of stupid governance.

When you pair one stupid act (Bush II) against the other (Clinton), stupidy still wins. That's your contribution to the american right.

You have no problem defending it. And the age of Clinton and the congressional GOP (1994-2001) looks golden compared "that age of stupid governance."

[ElNono]

It's more complex than that. And don't be so thick headed. Wouldn't you see it wrong to build a church near a holy site dear to the muslims? I would. But that scenario is not the same as the NYC one.

In America? I wouldn't, but yeah, not really the same scenario.

Ground zero is not a religous site, i see, but too many people Islam seems to have been a reason why that site is the way it is currently. Plus the terrorist were not jews or christians. They were muslims.

Too many Islam people? How many? What percentage out of the total Islam population?

The terrorists were extremists. There are those in all religions, and in all countries. Be it religiously motivated or politically motivated, or whatever else.

There's absolutely no argument there at all, IMO. We either are tolerant of all religions or we're not. The cons ution is pretty clear on this.

[Ignignokt]

Possible. I'm trying to debug a VB script while I'm reading this thread.

I get what you're saying. The location is what's driving the problem. I can appreciate that, but that arguement also attributes motives to the Iman that we simply don't know.

Well, besides the fact, we know that the Imam does know the sensitivity of his act and he's brazenly doing it, (which as a defender of property rights I support) so to say that the Imam is coy about this thing and that he's twiddle deeing this whole thing is dishonest. It's not wrong to bring up the issue.

[Marcus Bryant]

And stop trying to curry leftist favor by posting mean things about the great and true American leader.

[DarrinS]

From Thomas Friedman's Op Ed:

I greatly respect the feelings of those who lost loved ones on 9/11 — which was perpetrated in the name of Islam — and who oppose this project. Personally, if I had $100 million to build a mosque that promotes interfaith tolerance, I would not build it in Manhattan. I’d build it in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. That is where 9/11 came from, and those are the countries that espouse the most puritanical version of Sunni Islam — a version that shows little tolerance not only for other religions but for other strands of Islam, particularly Shiite, Sufi and Ahmadiyya Islam. You can study Islam at virtually any American university, but you can’t even build a one-room church in Saudi Arabia.

I guess he's a racist and bigot.


He then goes on to say

That resistance to diversity, though, is not something we want to emulate, which is why I’m glad the mosque was approved on Tuesday. Countries that choke themselves off from exposure to different cultures, faiths and ideas will never invent the next Google or a cancer cure, let alone export a musical or body of literature that would bring enjoyment to children everywhere.

Does he know that Google WAS invented here?

When we tell the world, “Yes, we are a country that will even tolerate a mosque near the site of 9/11,” we send such a powerful message of inclusion and openness. It is shocking to other nations. But you never know who out there is hearing that message and saying: “What a remarkable country! I want to live in that melting pot, even if I have to build a boat from milk cartons to get there.” As long as that happens, Silicon Valley will be Silicon Valley, Hollywood will be Hollywood, Broadway will be Broadway, and America, if we ever get our politics and schools fixed, will be O.K.

<sigh>

[Drachen]

Should we disallow anyone right of center to build/buy a house near an abortion clinic?

Or how about former military snipers to live in the same city as a public university?

[Marcus Bryant]

Does he know that Google WAS invented here?

Do you?

[ElNono]

So you want to be like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?

Is that who we're trying to emulate here?

[DarrinS]

So you want to be like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?

Is that who we're trying to emulate here?

Denying them that particular building site would make us just like Saudi Arabi and Pakistan.

See, I can post straw too.

[DarrinS]

Should we disallow anyone right of center to build/buy a house near an abortion clinic?

Or how about former military snipers to live in the same city as a public university?

Why not build a huge gun shop across from Columbine High School?

I'm sure there are zoning laws to prevent that.

[ElNono]

Denying them that particular building site would make us just like Saudi Arabi and Pakistan.

See, I can post straw too.

Isn't that what the article you posted was pointing out? How intolerant Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are when it comes to denying building certain temples?

You brought the topic, not me.