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    So we're willing to send our troops out to the deserts of the middle east to die for our "freedoms" and "safety", but we're not willing to go through a full body scan at the airport to protect our "safety".

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    So we're willing to send our troops out to the deserts of the middle east to die for our "freedoms" and "safety", but we're not willing to go through a full body scan at the airport to protect our "safety".
    The problem of using an airliner as a missile has been solved.

    Really now. When they want to scan pilots also, what does that tell you. the pilot, locked in the pit, can do more damage than any terrorist getting an explosive on board.

    The excuse that anyone can be forced is bull . We can never be 100% safe, so when does this authoritarianism stop? They are going too far, and anyone who agrees with the TSA has lost touch.

    In the case of almost everything this administration is doing, the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.

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    The problem of using an airliner as a missile has been solved.

    Really now. When they want to scan pilots also, what does that tell you. the pilot, locked in the pit, can do more damage than any terrorist getting an explosive on board.

    The excuse that anyone can be forced is bull . We can never be 100% safe, so when does this authoritarianism stop? They are going too far, and anyone who agrees with the TSA has lost touch.

    In the case of almost everything this administration is doing, the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
    Sincerley,

    The team that stood by when Bush ran roughshod over civil liberties post 9/11

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    Sincerley,

    The team that stood by when Bush ran roughshod over civil liberties post 9/11
    You're an absolute moore-on if you can't distinguish the vast differences.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    You're an absolute moore-on if you can't distinguish the vast differences.
    The problem of using an airliner as a missile has been solved.

    So tell me genious..how do we know if someone has a bomb in their underwear? Look for the pilot to step in?

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    The problem of using an airliner as a missile has been solved.
    That's been solved or it just hasn't happened since 9/11? Besides, that's hardly the main threat these days.

    You're the one who has lost touched if you think airport scanners are part of an Obama authoritarian bureaucratic conspiracy.

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    That's been solved or it just hasn't happened since 9/11? Besides, that's hardly the main threat these days.

    You're the one who has lost touched if you think airport scanners are part of an Obama authoritarian bureaucratic conspiracy.
    Scanning like they are scanning was never attempted before. This is outrageous. How can you condone such violations of anyone at random without probable cause?

    Do you have any concept of what probable cause is?

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    There is no violation. We CHOOSE to fly; therefore we knowing submit to these scans for the safety of everyone onboard. Probably cause here is irrelevant.

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    There is no violation. We CHOOSE to fly; therefore we knowing submit to these scans for the safety of everyone onboard. Probably cause here is irrelevant.
    You are being foolish in the way you are rationalizing your authoritarianism. If you wish to make that argument about something that the public in mass uses, then why not for public transportation also?

    Where does your authoritarianism stop? Where do we draw the line if it isn't probable cause? What about employers? Do they get to use this technology on their employees?

    I have to either assume you want to burn the cons ution, or you are a pervert working for the TSA.

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    You are being foolish in the way that you are rationalizing your bodily embarrassment as authoritarianism.

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    More American Hypocrisy, namely:

    Even with the bull TSA doing security since 9/11, there have been ZERO NADA US airliners hijacked, aka, a perfect record.

    So what is to be improved upon by hassling Americans forever with this scanning and groping charade?

    Dammit, you frickin conservatives hate government but love government to bugger its citizens. Bend over, asshole.
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    You are being foolish in the way that you are rationalizing your bodily embrasssment as authoritarianism.
    Where do you draw the line?

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    More American Hypocrisy, namely:

    Even with the bull TSA doing security since 9/11, there have been ZERO NADA US airliners hijacked, aka, a perfect record.

    So what is to improved upon by hassling Americans forever with this scanning and groping charade?

    Dammit, you frickin conservatives hate government but love government to bugger its citizens. Bend over, asshole.
    If you watched Fox News, you'd see it's the conservatives that are steamed about this.

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    If you watched Fox News, you'd see it's the conservatives that are steamed about this.
    Yeah, and pretty much none of those conservatives would be steamed if these scans were being applied only to all Muslims... or anyone who isn't white.

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    If you watched Fox News, you'd see it's the conservatives that are steamed about this.
    If dubya were Pres, Fox's lying propagandists would support TSA harassments and yell down anybody who objected as "soft of national security"

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    If dubya were Pres, Fox's lying propagandists would support TSA harassments and yell down anybody who objected as "soft of national security"

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    Number of bad guys captured or killed by US military: too numerous to list


    Number of bad guys stopped by TSA: Zero



    But, nice thread.

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    Number of bad guys captured or killed by US military: too numerous to list


    Number of bad guys stopped by TSA: Zero



    But, nice thread.
    Number of strawman arguments made by DarrinS: too numerous to list


    Number of time he's made a good point: Zero



    But, thanks.

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    number of youtubes used to attempt to make a point....

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    When all else fails, about youtubes.

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    When all else fails, about youtubes.
    when youtubes fail, post more youtubes

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    when youtubes fail, post more youtubes

    youtube smack is lamer than grammar smack

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    youtube smack is lamer than grammar smack
    I don't think so. I don't know anyone that tries to use grammar to make a point.

    You tend to use youtubes.....or in this case, strawmen.

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    Yeah, and pretty much none of those conservatives would be steamed if these scans were being applied only to all Muslims... or anyone who isn't white.
    Wrong.

    They are even more steamed that it appears that the Muslims get a free pass on the topic, being afraid of appearing to profile.

    Ever see this applied to someone who looks Muslim?

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    I'm avoiding your question
    For the third time, where do you draw the line?

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