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shut the up u in losers
"Parker and Manu will run them to the ground."
Except that, as Phil did last May, Stan had his guards sag into the key to block our guards from getting into the paint in the loss @MIA. Spurs got badly outscored in the paint (only 16 pts from Shaq out of 48 Heat points in the paint), and lost.
shut the up u in losers
do u guys no a guy with a user naem of e20. i no that he really likes the heat he jsut tries to act cool around u guys and be a gay ass front runner
the lakers suck man...talk about a frontrunner...you a pissedon fan now?
You just can't argue with that analysis
Pistons'D', are you the same clown that hacked E20's username yesterday? The lack of puncuation and persistent potty mouth seems about right. If you're so damn certain of your point why not actually present your case? Jackass.
Yeah, they were taking on 3 HOF'rs. Karl Malone is the one guy that killed us last year, he was what made that Laker team go and he was injured when they played against the Pistons. I guarantee that if KM was not injured in the finals, the Lakers would have won that series. It just sucked for us because he was healthy when we played them.
Anyway, the Pistons lack of bench will be their downfall!
Anyway, the Pistons lack of bench will be their downfall!
Dammit, there was supposed to be more than that! I wanted to add that Darco is there. Never underestimate the power of the Human Victory Cigar!
I think that both teams present match up problems for each other, the key will be which coach and players exploit those mis matches.
For example:
Billups is stronger but parker can run circles around him, if we let manu urun the offense and have tony move without the ball that could really ware down Billups.
Mohamed and wallace should be a fun matchup to watch. Horry can bring either wallace out of the paint and I don't think that either wallace can defend Duncan one-on-one for a long period of time, they will eventually break down.
Bowen and Rip--- Bowen just has to man up. he also has to make him defend.
Manu and Prince-- personally this is the match up I most look forward to. they are both very good slefless players. I think the help defense will be key on both of these players for both teams.
I srongly feel that with these teams being matched so well it will come down to who executes the best. Neither team will be able to afford careless play. With that being said I feel the spurs hunger to get back to being the champion is stronger than detroits hunger to repeat. Spurs in 6.
Detroit's defenense looks good when it tightens up; but watching the Indiana, and now Miami series, it seems to have lapses at least as often, if not more often than the Spur's.
It is Detroit's offense that is overrated, IMO. It reminds me of the the Spurs from several years back, hitting LONG stretches w/o being able to put it in the hole; stagnant, forced shots, etc. When it's working it looks pretty tight; but the Spurs will SERIOUSLY be able to slow that Detroit team down.
Arguably, the two best players in a Detroit/SA series both wear silver and black AND the Spurs have a deeper bench - and better overall shooting - with a similar defense.
Spurs put up a better record, in a tougher conference, and have looked at least as good in the playoffs. Detroit is tough, no doubt. But the Spurs are a better version.
Rasheed Wallace used to be the best Duncan defender in the league when he was on Portland. So much so that David was option #1 in that series in 99, because Tim could do nothing against Sheed. This matchup scares me, and it's why I've been saying all year that the only team that can take out a healthy Spurs team in 7 is Detroit. With the way Manu's playing I still like the Spurs chances, but Detroit is a physical team inside like Seattle, with solid defense on the perimeter too, unlike the Sonics.
You have every right to worry. The Pistons are more athletic and much more healthy than us. The Pistons are a very formidible team and I've been thinking about how difficult a time the Spurs will have with the Pistons.
I'm not too worried about Billups torching Parker throughout the game, Billups isn't their first option on offense. The Pistons would be giving up better scoring options in Prince's post game and Hamilton's mid-range game to really exploit this matchup offensively. Usually, they've been going with Prince, Hamilton and R.Wallace before they every get to Billups. Although, he can pose a problem for the Spurs in hitting key baskets down the stretch b/c he can outmuscle Parker when he gets into the paint. On offense, Parker needs to use his quickness to get into the paint and score or dish. He definately needs to push the tempo when he can and probe for easy buckets in transition. If he can do that, I think we can definately win this matchup. It really depends on Parker's aggressiveness.
This matchup has me really worried. I really believe Manu's best shot at scoring on Prince is penetrating off Tony's penetration, moving without the ball, and finding ways to create contact with Prince as he attacks the basket on Pick-N-Rolls or penetration and get Prince into foul trouble. Fortunately, that's what Manu usually does. But really, Manu's a winner and the man always finds a way to make an impact, so I'm not too worried about Manu getting off. HE WILL. Call it blind faith b/c that's what it is. I've doubted Manu so many times in the past, but the man is all heart with just enough talent to take him over the top. I say we win this matchup. Prince going against Bowen has me worried, though. Bowen isn't as strong a defender in the post and that's where Prince is going when he faces him.
You know, this matchup wouldn't worry me as much if TD was healthy. But Duncan is gonna have problems with the Wallaces b/c he has no lift. Nazr is gonna have to really come up big CLEANING UP THE JUNK, b/c Ben Wallace is gonna leave him to help R. Wallace and his opportunities TO CLEAN UP will be there.
That's a great point. And since Manu will likely be guarding Hamilton, I'm worried that he might tire Manu out going through so many screens and chasing him all over the court.
Totally agree. Although, I really think Horry is gonna have opportunities to knock some shots down in this series for two reasons. He's tall and he's clutch. Barry will return to being a non-factor. I just don't think he'll be hitting shots b/c he's not gonna be getting the looks he's getting against the Suns. I'm still not a believer in the one they call BONES.
You really think so. I would rather have Bowen on Prince. And Manu chasing Hamilton around. If we can pressure Billups and ride him down the court, we could cut down the shot clock and limit the amount of time Hamilton has on running screens to get open.
I think that's a reach, but POP has always pissed me off at times with some of the things he does on offense and his subs utions.
Agreed.
I think like the mass of media, who up until the recent offensive explosion of the Spurs still called the Spurs slow, plodding and boring, you are living in the past.
This Spurs team is much deeper offensively than any team of the past, including the 1999 and 2003 NBA Champions. The players added and developed AND the rule changes give this Spurs team great advantages offensively over all recent past Spurs teams.
I see injury as the only thing that has, or can slow these Spurs down.
Tim, Nesto and Brown all were limited or MIA in the Nuggets and Sonics series, but each are starting to contribute more as time goes on. Even with these major glitches, the Spurs offense has had few bad quarters in these playoffs, and even this year, when healthy.
When Tim and the Spurs were healthy, the Spurs average margin of victory was in line with the greatest teams of all time, and their scoring was on a consistant increase. AND, all this was while Tim and Manu were only logging limited minutes because of so much hoops played by each in recent summers. The focus of the team was still on defense most of the year, but they never had much trouble cranking up the offense, when it was needed.
While I hope Brown can contribute, even without him, once Tim and Rasho get their game legs back, the Spurs are simply too deep and too talented for the Pistons. This Pistons team has a bench that is almost as shallow as the Suns. Only McDyes is expected to make any significant contribution, forcing their starters to log major minutes.
With the starters now logging more minutes, the new rotations for the Spurs have given them a seldem mentioned but major advantage. Pop now has the benifit of always having at least two of Tim, Tony and Manu on the floor at the same time. This puts major pressure on the defense, and gives the roll players who are in the game more opportunity to shine, as the focus of the defense is always spread between two stars. With the big three playing more minutes, and having shorter rest between playing spurts, they stay warm and focused, eliminating as many cold spells.
Maybe the Pistons are the team to beat...But I really hope that Shaq gains some mobility so he can soften them up for the finals...
(Two surgeries this past month in his thigh?)
I think Ben Wallace lucked out, BIG TIME!
and we have more than two games this season to go on. looking at the 2003-04 season, again, parker and billups were about even, switching roles in lopsided losses. and in the only face off that featured the starting rosters of the 05, the spurs won in 04 by a pretty good margin, won again this year by 3 and came up just short without td and manu. looking at the 04 victory, the guys who really brought it were manu and parker, and that's with duncan only going for 12 points.
i like what someone else pointed out. both defenses are top notch so it will come down to offense. the pistons are far more iffy in that department.
I have to say that I agree with TimVP...
Billups > Parker
Rasheed > Duncan
Hamilton > Manu
Prince > Bowen
And of course...
Brown > Pop
Pistons are the better team and they will beat us...Fear them....because no one on our team can score and all of their guys can...we should be on the defensive against them at all times, they have no reason whatsoever to worry about us...and our nuts should shrivel over the offensive juggernaut that is the Detroit Pistons...
No doubt Pop will make this a defensive pissing contest and seem to think playing players that can't score but can play D...will be the way to win it.
There is ample reason to be a pussy about this.
Let's not forget that big Piston win against us when we went 21-61...the last time Detroit won in SA.
Of course it's all moot because...Suns in 7. And D'Antoni>>>>>>>>>Pop.
Another thing I'm worried about is the Suns getting the Spurs too overconfident and out of their system. The Spurs aren't this 120 point per game team that can come out and out score you. To win, they need a slower pace and offensive execution. Against the Suns, all you really have to do is pass it until you have a wide open shot.
Going from the Suns to the Pistons or the Heat is a huge jump. It's almost a different sport. That will make the first two home games that much tougher.
But, like I've said throughout all my posts in this thread, the most important thing right now is to finish off the Suns.
this one i agree.
as what the Sam Smith of Chicago Tribune had pointed out, this 2005 Spurs team is no longer the boring-no offense only defense team anymore....
43 pts 4th qtr? game 1 & 2 4th qtr.70+ FG%.
This team now attacks its opponents.
Offense has improved a lot this year.
"The Spurs aren't this 120 point per game team that can come out and out score you"
How can the Spurs be guilty or blame-able for the Suns not putting up any defense, for being out of the Spurs' system?
The Spurs have offensive force, if there's no resistance, Spurs score.
It will be an adjustment in the Finals, but the Spurs are capable of making that adjustment. They know that Suns are especially sucky on defense, and Pistons/Heat will necessitate very different game plan.
Suns had a good road record, but there was one, huge, black pothole in their road trips, and that was @SBC Dec 28th, when the Spurs handed a healthy Suns their worst road L, by far, when the Suns' road dominance met the Spurs' home dominance, and Spurs prevailed.
And the Spurs' season road medicrity has NOT continued into the playoffs.
The Spurs can see the Finals just out reach, and last May is still a fresh and painful memory. There will be no let-down, no lackadaiscial play by Spurs @SBC.
whott, i always respect your opinions but definitely not this:
Rasheed > Duncan
..i just can't imagine how could this be made possible for you. Saw that Rasheed missed shots game 2 of EC finals vs Miami, Rasheed got all the crucial shots...missing ALL of them.
Hamilton > Manu
..Manu can easily figure out his opponents' defense on him he can find ways to take a shot every game. as of now he is averaging 20 pts per game in the playoffs. Meanwhile game 2 of EC finals Rip missed(again?),3 crucial FTs that could have brought them a shot closer vs Miami...
Brown > Pop
...shld be Brown=Pops
i might agree on better team right now bec. Duncan is NOT 100% healthy. Manu is battered and bruised...Pistons are the better team and they will beat us...Fear them....because no one on our team can score and all of their guys can...
but NOT on the Spurs team unable to score.
, we are a better scoring team than Detroit.
the playoff stats so far, after game 2:
SA FG% 46.6 Det 44.5%
SA 3pt% 38.2% Det 33.7%
SA 3pt made=228 Det 187
SA highest FG% Nazr=56%
Det highest FG%McDyess=50.6% 2nd Big
Ben=50.5%
better think twice whott, you might have missed predicting this one again like the Sonics?
believe in the Spurs.
Last edited by milkyway21; 05-26-2005 at 11:28 PM.
Don't call your mama such names on this board. Be a nice son and pick her up on the corner by the crack house on the way home tonight.
The reason you can't argue with this punk ass is because it's hard to read the post...hooked on ebonics.You just can't argue with that analysis
I'd pick Detroit vs Spurs for the NBA Finals, not because of anything else...
Only that last time Duncan played in Detroit 1-2 minutes, after stepping on R Wallace's foot and went to injury list. If things are so funny, Duncan will take care of his unfinished business there and dominate.
To make things more funny, maybe R Wallace got his own ankle hurt during the Finals, and Antonio McDyess, a former All-Star Forward himself, will need to face Duncan most of the time.
I think we face more mismatches with Miami....Detroit isn't that good of a team.
I think we can definately beat them even at their best.
The spurs are playing championship basketball, and as I've seen with detroit they arent. Manu can get points against prince...and sheed cant cover duncan without getting in foul trouble this season. Ben wallace hasnt been productive either because hes been on duncan as well. I think the role players will kill them and manu will do his thing.
Overall, we shouldn't be worried about detroit because they know we are the team to beat.
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