Excuse me, but you're the one posting in the thread. I'm just responding to your posts.
I was going to cut you some slack since you couldn't make up your mind about what you saw and all earlier but c'mon now your pushing it.
haha pushing what? All you've done with pretty much everything I have posted, and not only on this thread, is remark with some snarky comment (many of which are just senseless bull -like asking me if I knew who Tyson Chandler and Lamar Odem were). Am I supposed to be afraid of "pushing it"? I'll tell you what, lets set up a game, one on one, broadcast it over webcam and that way everybody can watch and see just how great you are at basketball, since you talk like you're an expert. you can name me all 5 bags if youd like and create a just as important 6th spot and name me that one too. skeet skeet ho
In today’s Have Ball, Will Travel, we’ll take a closer look at a pretty controversial play: Manu Ginobili’s game-winning jumper from Wednesday night’s game between the San Antonio Spurs and the Milwaukee Bucks.
Strange things are afoot at the AT&T Center. Ginobili has always had a certain awkwardness to his game, and his unorthodox style is part of what makes him such a difficult cover. It also has led to more than a few missed calls and false traveling positives; Ginobili’s bizarre rhythm makes him a referee’s worst nightmare.
Understandably, this particular play led to widespread declarations across the Twitterverse that Ginobili had duped the officiating crew, committed what many considered to be an obvious traveling violation, and stolen a win in the process. Among them was Brett Pollakoff of NBA FanHouse:
At first glance, I agreed with Brett. Ginobili seems to take two steps before going into his jump stop, which would certainly cons ute a travel. However, a closer look at the clip reveals that Manu’s play was actually a completely legal maneuver.
The errors in judgment primarily seem to stem from a plant of Ginobili’s right foot just prior to his step-back and jump stop. While viewing the play from the original broadcast angle at full speed, it indeed appears that Ginobili picks up his dribble before planting that right foot. But if we view the play from another angle, it’s clear that when Manu plants his right foot in what many are counting as his “first” step, the ball isn’t even in his hand. This step isn’t a step at all, at least not for the purposes of any kind of violation. Instead, Ginobili’s step count triggers as soon as he’s gathered and gained control of the ball, which occurs after the right foot has already been planted.
According to the NBA Rulebook, “The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.” Thus, Ginobili’s step-back (with his left foot, prior to the jump stop) is his actual first step. The rulebook also states that “a progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step.” Ginobili does just that, and gives us a fine example of a perfectly legal jump stop. He jumps immediately afterward to fire up the game-winner, which means for those counting at home, the entire sequence consisted of a rulebook-en led two steps.
Yup...this is exactly what I saw, too. Not a travel...not at all.
haha pushing what? All you've done with pretty much everything I have posted, and not only on this thread, is remark with some snarky comment (many of which are just senseless bull -like asking me if I knew who Tyson Chandler and Lamar Odem were). Am I supposed to be afraid of "pushing it"? I'll tell you what, lets set up a game, one on one, broadcast it over webcam and that way everybody can watch and see just how great you are at basketball, since you talk like you're an expert. you can name me all 5 bags if youd like and create a just as important 6th spot and name me that one too. skeet skeet ho
I'm just an average poster here, never professed to be an expert on anything. Show me any quote where I claim to be an "expert" at basketball. I can personally recall many times being owned on this forum by smarter posters, such as Mel_13 and Blackjack to name a few. The few times I get something right (like this thread) hey I like to gloat like anyone else.
So if you can find me quotes to back that up that would be nice. chop chop now, you got some work to do.
I'm just an average poster here, never professed to be an expert on anything. Show me any quote where I claim to be an "expert" at basketball. I can personally recall many times being owned on this forum by smarter posters, such as Mel_13 and Blackjack to name a few. The few times I get something right (like this thread) hey I like to gloat like anyone else.
So if you can find me quotes to back that up that would be nice. chop chop now, you got some work to do.
thing is, I was gloating by saying skeet skeet and you called me a bag. once or twice of you talking is cool, but if youre trying to pick on me, i dont play that . dont be a hypocrite, just play it cool. later average poster.
The travels that never get called are the high speed, fast break dribble-drives. Jason Kidd, Tony Parker and D-Willimas are notorious for running full speed with the ball the other way for a basket, getting in a dribble often enough to pacify the refs.
When Jason was younger, he used to (almost) always get 4 steps in between bounces.
It was a travel because he does pick up the dribble and he obviously gathered his feet which means it wasn't a jump step so he has to either shoot or pass the ball. He then takes another step back jumper. --> travel. But in real team it looks legit.
It was a travel because he does pick up the dribble and he obviously gathered his feet which means it wasn't a jump step so he has to either shoot or pass the ball. He then takes another step back jumper. --> travel. But in real team it looks legit.
#3 bag!
2 more to go, and thx for your generous submission SprusDynasty85.
He sets down a dribble, stops with both feet and as the dribble is coming back to his hand, he is forearm checked at the same time by Mbah Moute while gathering the ball in. So at that point he has ZERO steps ac ulated according to the actual RULESET as quoted by GSH. At that point he has the ball gathered in and (with the help of the shove) takes a huge sidestep which is perfectly legal to do, plants, and shoots a jumper off BOTH feet. It's all perfectly legit you assclowns. Geebus.
Not from the way most people saw it. Watch the video. Manu gathered the ball, was shoved while his right foot was on the floor. He gathered himself with his left foot, jumped back, landed on two feet, jumped, and launched a shot.
It was a foul first, but in the strictest sense, it was a travel.
EDIT: After watching the video, I think I was wrong. Not that I miscounted the steps, but I always thought that a player cannot land and jump off two feet after jumping with one foot. This is the section I am referring to:
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_10.html
g. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
Manu's pivot foot was his left foot, the one he used to jump backwards after he was shoved. But his left foot landed (along with his right) before he launched a shot.
Not from the way most people saw it. Watch the video. Manu gathered the ball, was shoved while his right foot was on the floor. He gathered himself with his left foot, jumped back, landed on two feet, jumped, and launched a shot.
It was a foul first, but in the strictest sense, it was a travel.
Not from the way most people saw it. Watch the video. Manu gathered the ball, was shoved while his right foot was on the floor. He gathered himself with his left foot, jumped back, landed on two feet, jumped, and launched a shot.
It was a foul first, but in the strictest sense, it was a travel.
According to the NBA Rulebook, “The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.” Thus, Ginobili’s step-back (with his left foot, prior to the jump stop) is his actual first step. The rulebook also states that “a progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step.” Ginobili does just that, and gives us a fine example of a perfectly legal jump stop. He jumps immediately afterward to fire up the game-winner, which means for those counting at home, the entire sequence consisted of a rulebook-en led two steps.
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Yup...this is exactly what I saw, too. Not a travel...not at all.
