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    Mainly because he played for US national team. Get it? US NATIONAL team. Not US international team or Nigerian team. But he's more international than Tim Duncan hehe and with him I at least understand where people are coming from, I just don't agree.

    That was well into his 30's, when he'd received his U.S. citizenship. That doesn't discount the fact that he was born and raised in Nigeria. So, he's still an international player by most people's definition.

    I guess that means that Chris Kaman is German and Samuel Dalmebert is Canadian then?

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    this might be the best thread ever.

    watching gray spurfans saying Hakeem is international so they don't have to say Dirk is because they know Dirk takes a fat steamy all over Manu is one of the funnies threads I've ever read.

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    this might be the best thread ever.

    watching gray spurfans saying Hakeem is international so they don't have to say Dirk is because they know Dirk takes a fat steamy all over Manu is one of the funnies threads I've ever read.
    What does being a "gray spursfan" even mean?

    My dispute with Pero has nothing to do with Manu vs. Dirk, an argument that Dirk easily wins because he's accomplished more individually than Manu in the NBA, but that he discredits Hakeem being a foreigner because he played on Dream Team II like that automatically removes Hakeem's international player status.

    That's like claiming that Becky Hammon is no longer an American because she played on the Russian national team.

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    That was well into his 30's, when he'd received his U.S. citizenship. That doesn't discount the fact that he was born and raised in Nigeria. So, he's still an international player by most people's definition.

    I guess that means that Chris Kaman is German and Samuel Dalmebert is Canadian then?
    Yes but outside of that Olajuwon spend his entire life in US basketball (college and NBA). Add to that the fact he played for US national team makes him not an international in my book, like I already said.

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    Anyone that says Hakeem was not an international player is an uneducated, ignorant, moron.
    Anyone who takes Manu in this argument is an uneducated, ignorant, moron.

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    Hakeem was born and raised in nigeria. But when he arrived to the US, he was not even a big prospect. His first year in college he was nothing special, basically because his only basketball experience in Nigeria was at an amateur level. He learned to play the game in the US, and it certainly is a credit to him that he learned so much so fast. Its not about discrediting Hakeem- he is one of my favorites, and I already said that in the strictest sense he takes this "award" with Duncan right behind him.

    The point of the "award" though, IMO, is not to identify who was born where, but to identify a style of basketball that is different from the dominant US style. that makes it perfectly reasonable to only consider guys who learned to play outside the US.

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    In national team compe ions a silver or a bronze has NEVER counted as winning.
    Doesn't count as winning it all, but counts as winning silver or bronze. Otherwise people wouldn't care about getting silver or bronze.

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    This is absolutely ridiculous.

    Sarunas Jasikevicius is an American player since he played high school basketball, college basketball, and NBA basketball in the US.........
    He spent years playing in Europe and also played for Lithuania.

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    So what? According to your definitions he is an American player.
    What part of played for Lithuania do you not understand? And what part of played years in Europe do you not understand?

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    Did I say it was Manu? No, I did not.
    someone's butthole is gaping.

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    You are totally full of it.

    According to your own definition Saras is an American player.
    What part of citizen of Lithuania do you not understand?

    Just stop embarrassing yourself with all these ridiculous xenophobic and racist posts you are making.

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    What part of NIGRO do you not understand?

    I'm putting you on ignore.

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    i say lets put all their accomplishments down on paper.. NBA, Euroleage, etc.. and compare and contrast.. im pretty sure manu would be on there

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    What part of NIGERIA do you not understand?
    What part of United States of America do you not understand?

    I'm putting you on ignore.

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    Why in the are people letting some idiots here get away with claiming that Hakeem was an American player? I am seriously losing all respect for this forum based on this thread.

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    Pero This message is hidden because Pero is on your ignore list.


    But actually what an honour, I've never been put on ignore list before.

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    Hay dudes, this topic has been so intense that it has been linked on the website of L'Equipe, the main french sport newspaper.
    http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/breves2...-ginobili.html

    Awesome

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    Hay dudes, this topic has been so intense that it has been linked on the website of L'Equipe, the main french sport newspaper.
    http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/breves2...-ginobili.html

    Awesome
    I don't understand a word but still, holy !

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    But actually what an honour, I've never been put on ignore list before.
    You have never come across one of the most distinguished member of a cohort of individuals -intended in the pure biological sense of the term- that gets psychiatrists interested in internet forums.

    Admittedly, this KBP individual is really a big question mark for antropologists as well, since his "logic" seems to revert from that of the genus sapiens sapiens, which the vast majority of the individuals of OUR species practice, to that of the the genus sapiens neardenthalensis, PREVIOUSLY thought to be estinguished.

    The BIG question mark is really whether the sapiens before the neardethalensis can be applied to this "ignoring" subject.

    Or whether he is simply the remnant of a dead branch of neanderthalensis.

    A greecian branch, obviously.

    neardethalensis grecianus.


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    Hay dudes, this topic has been so intense that it has been linked on the website of L'Equipe, the main french sport newspaper.
    http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/breves2...-ginobili.html

    Awesome
    Just read it. The author must lurk somewhere around here... He is one of us! (no, not me)

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    If I was in a foxhole, I go with Manu!!!!

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    Anybody that takes Barkley seriously is in a sad state

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    Poor Charles drunk or high again!

    This argument is not even close. Dirk is by a Mile the best foreign player of all time.
    He will finish his career somewhere between 6-9 All Time Scorer in the History of the NBA.
    That alone makes him the best foreign player of all time.
    His defense is much better now and he is a very solid rebounder.
    And had he played with Duncan and Parker he would have 5 rings.

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    If I was in a foxhole, I go with Manu!!!!
    Well duh, going with Dirk would be like tempting death.

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