The Art of War - Egyptian Uprising

[boutons_deux]

MIG, face the facts. Hope counts for .

Look at how wonderful democracy is in Iraq, a great judiciary, no paralysis in parliament, free of corruption, a solid body of well-written, tested law, with all the same anti-democratic history as Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Alegeria, Aghanistan, etc, etc.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...head_20110210/

If the US doesn't like how Egypt is turning out, you can be sure that US will around in the Egypt to get the results that US wants. US doesn't give a about democracy, that's why Marcos, Mubarak, Shah Of Iran, the Gulf States, etc, etc, can last for decades with US support.

[boutons_deux]

Life in another strategic US ally, protected and occupied by the US.

Sexual Prey in the Saudi Jungle

The working conditions of many domestics, which include 18-22 hour days and violent beatings, cannot but be described except as virtual slavery. Saudi Arabia abolished slavery by royal decree in 1962, but customs are hard to overcome. Royal and aristocratic households continue to treat domestic workers as slaves, and this behavior is reproduced by those lower in the social hierarchy. Apparently among the items of the “job description” of a domestic slave in Saudi is being forced to minister to the sexual needs of the master of the household. This is the relationship that so many young women from the Philippines, Indonesia, India, and other labor-sending Asian countries unwittingly step into when recruitment agencies place them in Saudi homes.

http://www.alternet.org/world/149835..._saudi_jungle_

[boutons_deux]

US will keep their in deep, democracy.


"U.S. officials see the head of Egypt's military council as an ally committed to avoiding another war with Israel but have in the past criticized him privately as being resistant to political and economic reform.

Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, the head of the Higher Military Council that took control of Egypt on Friday after President Hosni Mubarak was swept from power, has spoken with U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates by phone five times since the crisis began, including as late as on Thursday evening."

diplomats warned ahead of a 2008 visit by Tantawi to Washington that U.S. officials should be prepared to meet a "an aged and change-resistant Tantawi."

"Charming and courtly, he is nonetheless mired in a post-Camp David military paradigm that has served his cohort's narrow interests for the last three decades,"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_822022.html

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Decent Al Jazeera article on drudge comparing the egypt situation to palestine. I'm on the phone can't link but it is worth checking out.

[boutons_deux]

Egypt Post-Mubarak: Key Facts on the Military’s Long-Standing Role

http://www.propublica.org/blog/item/...g-standing-rol

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The Egyptian military, like any deeply vested power structure (just like the VRWC in USA), will not allow much change, if any.

[RandomGuy]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_egypt

Military coup. Thats the best possible result. Their Military staff is pretty much westernized and has lots of cross-pollination relationships with our military from annual exercises...they even worked together in Iraq...

Thats our best chance of avoiding a fundamental/radical Islamic regime change..

I think you may be right about this for those reasons.

A secular, liberal democracy in a muslim country. Go Egypt!!

[lefty]

So what, Mubarak will be replaced by another dictator who's on the CIA's payroll

Big ing deal

[RandomGuy]

The big question is always what will the military do.

Once these things get rolling police tend to be simply outnumbered. The retreat of the police from the main Cairo square is an example of that.

Time to stay glued to the news, heh.

That seemed to be the key.

Successfully getting rid of Mubarak was what I considered the most likely of outcomes, followed very closely by a severely weakened Mubarak simply outlasting the protestors who got tired of doing what they were doing.

[RandomGuy]

I agree, but in my uneducated non-Egyptian opinion, a peaceful and ceaseless demonstration of devotion to change, 24/7 in the epicenter of the conflict will sway the military to the anti-government side.

What that means to the US and its interests, I dont know and dont care.

Also winning "I toldja so" points.

[jack sommerset]

God bless Mark Zuckerberg

[RandomGuy]

Decent Al Jazeera article on drudge comparing the egypt situation to palestine. I'm on the phone can't link but it is worth checking out.

Israel would probably win again, if it had to, on the battlefields of Sinai. But could it win against masses of peaceful protesters in town squares across the West Bank, Gaza and Israel too, demanding political rights for Palestinians? It is a question that makes many Israelis queasy.

http://www.economist.com/node/18065691

This whole thing has got to have the conservative s running Israel worried, even beyond the "what happens to our southern flank" concerns.

Non-violent protests are the one thing they can't fight with fletchette tank/artillery rounds. As I have said for years, if the Palestinians were smart they would simply lay down their weapons and go Ghandi on the Israelis.

[RandomGuy]

God bless Mark Zuckerberg

This whole thing has the Chinese government looking over their shoulders.

[jack sommerset]

This whole thing has the Chinese government looking over their shoulders.

A few others too

[CosmicCowboy]

This whole thing has the Chinese government looking over their shoulders.

meh...they don't have anything to worry about...

Now Saudi Arabia and UAR? They should worry.

[Yonivore]

We have the most feckless and absurd foreign policy administration -- ever. Your president and his staff have spent the past 3 weeks vacillating over their position on Egypt and whether or not Mubarek was a friend or foe, we have a national security chief that thinks the Muslim Brotherhood is a secular (the same guy who was oblivious to the major terror arrests in London a few weeks ago), geneous organization; and, when the end comes, Obama hears about it on the news.

God, what have you people elected?

Highest unemployment in decades.

Highest deficit, ever.

Highest national debt, ever.

The most disjointed, disorganized administration, ever.

The most corrupt administration, ever.

The least transparent administration, ever.

And, on and on and on...

2012 can't get here fast enough.

[RandomGuy]

‘Mubarak’s poodle’ most powerful man in Egypt for now

Interesting bit on the guy probably running the show now.

[ChumpDumper]

[impotent ing]

What was Obama supposed to do here, yoni?

Quit biting ankles and be specific for once.

[RandomGuy]

We have the most feckless and absurd foreign policy administration -- ever. Your president and his staff have spent the past 3 weeks vacillating over their position on Egypt and whether or not Mubarek was a friend or foe, we have a national security chief that thinks the Muslim Brotherhood is a secular (the same guy who was oblivious to the major terror arrests in London a few weeks ago), geneous organization; and, when the end comes, Obama hears about it on the news.

God, what have you people elected?

Highest unemployment in decades.

Highest deficit, ever.

Highest national debt, ever.

The most disjointed, disorganized administration, ever.

The most corrupt administration, ever.

The least transparent administration, ever.

And, on and on and on...

2012 can't get here fast enough.

and almost all of the problems can still be traced to the giant -hole left by the Republican leadership from 2000-2008.

Sorry bizarro boutons, you still fail.

As for the foreign policy, it wouldn't have mattered jack- which party was in the white-house, we would still have had to walk an impossible tight-rope.

[ChumpDumper]

It could be that not sticking his into every single international event could be the best play for the future in the ME.

lol that Bush had some feck.

[Yonivore]

and almost all of the problems can still be traced to the giant -hole left by the Republican leadership from 2000-2008.

Really? Start tracing.

The Republicans didn't select Biden as Vice President, Clinton as Secretary of State, or that idiot over at the NSA.

The Republicans didn't run up the deficit or the debt.

Unemployment is a direct result of Democrats and Obama's regulatory excesses and power grabs in the private markets.

As for corruption; you could start a thread, Obama's corruption of the day, and have a different ing story every ing day. What is it today? Oh yeah, the DOJ is playing favorites with how they respond to FOIA requests. A violation of federal law. How do you blame that on Republicans or the previous administration?

The administration that promised to be the most transparent is anything but. How do you blame that on Republicans or the previous administration?

Nothing I listed can be traced back to Republicans or the previous administration.

[RandomGuy]

It could be that not sticking his into every single international event could be the best play for the future in the ME.

lol that Bush had some feck.

The good thing now that Mubarak is gone is that we can now really get behind the protestors, and don't have to be seen as throwing our "friend" under the bus.

That will now happen, and we can start the process of supporting a truly popular democracy in the middle east.

I think we can also start distancing ourselves from some of our other "friends" now. Hopefully we will start seeing less realpolitik, and more living up to our own ideals.

[ChumpDumper]

The Republicans didn't run up the deficit or the debt.

Unemployment is a direct result of Democrats and Obama's regulatory excesses and power grabs in the private markets...

....Nothing I listed can be traced back to Republicans or the previous administration.

It's just so easy when people like yoni outright lie.

lol didn't run up the deficit.

ing idiot.

[RandomGuy]

Really? Start tracing.

The Republicans didn't select Biden as Vice President, Clinton as Secretary of State, or that idiot over at the NSA.

The Republicans didn't run up the deficit or the debt.

Unemployment is a direct result of Democrats and Obama's regulatory excesses and power grabs in the private markets.

As for corruption; you could start a thread, Obama's corruption of the day, and have a different ing story every ing day. What is it today? Oh yeah, the DOJ is playing favorites with how they respond to FOIA requests. A violation of federal law. How do you blame that on Republicans or the previous administration?

The administration that promised to be the most transparent is anything but. How do you blame that on Republicans or the previous administration?

Nothing I listed can be traced back to Republicans or the previous administration.

Sorry, not going to take the bait, bias-boy. I see little value in feeding your ego by treating your posts as if they were worth responding to with anything other than polite amusement. (edit) or outright mockery. (/edit)

I honestly can't remember the last intellectually honest thing you have posted here.

[ChumpDumper]

Not fair, RG -- he extended an olive branch to you.

If only you had feck.

[MannyIsGod]

Didn't run up the deficit.

Holy .

Anyway, I for one am happy for the people of Egypt and I am hopeful they will establish a government that does them well. Very awesome to see them succeed and I can only hope it spreads to the rest of the middle east.

Unlike Iraq, a revolution that starts from within and moves itself will succeed. It builds a sense of unity and pride and not the feeling of being conquered. Amazing history we just witnessed.