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"think what you want."
thanks!
Or the rest of y'all but think what you want.
"think what you want."
thanks!
This is just a personal observation, nothing insightful, but to me, it looks like these two sides have serious conviction issues.
IMO, two ways to go about revolution/political change. Peacefully (India, MLK Jr) or violently (basically everything else).
There needs to be a decision made before events even transpire, it also cannot be a combination of both. You are either peaceful or you are violent, no in between.
So, with that said, it would seem the anti-government movement is walking a haphazard path with no clear direction. If its peaceful they want, theyre doing it wrong. They should be on their knees praying toward Mecca endlessly and ceaselessly, never wavering, never returning any violence cast upon them...ever. Sure, a few outbreaks will happen, thats inevitable, but those should be exceptions and completely isolated. Remember the footage of Dr King's marches and sit-ins where the police would turn fire hoses on them at near point blank range? No retaliation, the others just kept praying and singing. It shows the lengths to which you are willing to go without even thinking about pain or violence against another human being. It fosters sympathy for you and your brethren that cannot be ignored by anyone with a heart watching. It may take longer, but it would seem the ends certainly justify the means and you can make a more lasting case for your cause because its pretty obvious you and your group are willing to die for your cause, but wish no harm upon others.
Then there is violence and throwing stones and building walls aint gonna cut it. If youve chosen violence as your means of change OR you feel youve been pushed into a situation where violence is the only answer, then they are seriously lacking in conviction on this matter.
You dont need guns to drive an enemy away under violent terms. What you need is conviction, loyalty and a complete disregard for the enemy as a human being. If your cause is truly worth it and existence without change is no existence at all, without equivocation or temperance, then its time to pull a couple hundred loyalists to the back rows to arm up and hit the front lines with an overwhelming edge of violence and disregard. Broom handles sharpened to a point, sheets of steel sharpened to an edge with rope wrapped as a handle, javelins, baseball bats (cricket bats?), etc, etc. Put a couple hundred of those in the toughest, most single-minded people's hands and send them to the front line and sound the charge. I guarantee the other side will run in total panic after 1-2 minutes of the assault. Keep a reserve near the front line to usher out the wounded/incapacitated and replace them.
A. It will be a surprise. The enemy would never expect it, nor anticipate or have preparations for it. It will be extremely one-sided.
B. It will drive the enemy out of the Square (which seems to be important to the cause, apparently). Once they are out, its time to barricade in so that they cannot return. Even if they do, so long as it isnt a military response, youll have the advantage of high ground, preparation and designed choke points. Any attempt at re-entry by a non-military force will be lambs to a slaughter.
This all assumes that the military is uninvolved. A big assumption, I am aware. If the military is involved, all bets are off.
I want to make it clear that I am not advocating any particular strategy. I am only giving my opinion on the most effective means of ins uting a government change to desired magnitude. IMO, both strategies have their pitfalls with the violent means having the most pitfalls, but the higher chance of success. The problem with violence is that it is hard to stop. Once the first real blood is spilled, it probably will not end even after the current government has been defeated. It might be expeditious but its methods are not soon forgotten by the defeated creating long-term problems long after "victory".
Personally, I would suggest a non-violent approach seeing as the military is not involved in either side. Its going to be very tough for the military (from PFCs to Generals) to sit and watch as one side of the protest is clubbing, beating and burning the other side while they are in the middle of an ever-lasting, peaceful prayer to God.
I dont believe the military would stay uninvolved for very long under those cir stances.
I am pretty sure I understand you pretty perfectly.
What is happening over there is "the same going on here", but there is violence over there. With the seeming added caveat that the left is trying to shut down the poor defenseless right wing that dares to differ with the president and/or his policies.
As if only the left wing in this country does that.
"Boo hoo, we're victims" is a constant meme in the right wing. Buncha whiny babies.
The funny thing is that the same people who like to play the victim card were the ones lined up to make fun of left-wing protesters who protest "at the drop of a hat", or who were protesting against the decision to invade Iraq.
Were you or were you not flinging your share of turds on left-wing protestors objecting to their government's decision to invade Iraq?
Same tune, different drummer.
Last edited by RandomGuy; 02-03-2011 at 02:55 PM.
Well said.
If the Palestinians had a lick of sense, they would forgo explosives and throwing rocks and do the same.
Non-violence and the power of moral authority are far more powerful in moving opinion than many seem to think.
The gentleman who set himself on fire in Tunis is all the proof anybody with some common sense should need about that.
When I say that, if you want to fight al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan, you don't need missles, you need teachers, microloans, and the Corps of Engineers, some people have a hard time wrapping their mind around that.
The principle of persuasion is the same.
You don't fight the idea that you are evil with bullets.
DR, I think the reason why they aren't coordinated is because they don't know which side the military is going to end up on. I don't think the military knows right now, either.
you are comparing Mubarak's reign of oppresion to the United States????
Damn, Viva outdid himself today.
Of course, most of the board "conservatives" are looking for a chance to ankle bite Obama over this issue. I really don't see the connection.
Many anti-government protesters have returned to their homes since pro-government supporters raided on Feb. 2. Above, Cairo's Tahrir Square on Feb. 3.
This stuff is getting downright medieval. Walls, rocks, battle-lines, medical triage and all.
Getting medieval?
By the way, I like that wall. Did they watch Castaway or something?
LOL I was actually thinking on coining this new phrase:
Going Mubarak on that ass
"You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'm gonna get Mubarak on your ass."
Triage is medieval?
They had better weapons in medieval times.
These s think rocks are the best thing ever.
And if one of them takes of their shoe, you better watch out.
(laughs) Good point, and one that sort of rattled around in the back of my head as I typed it. I was riffing.
Perhaps "martial" is a better term.
None of that had anything to do with triage.
And what else do you think the average protester has access to in Egypt?
Prayer rugs?
hey genius, they obviously are electing to fight at a distance. If they decide not to then you will start seeing body parts flying and ppl hacked to death.
What better projectile than a rock? It ain't the good ol USA where ppl have grenade launchers in their backyard sheds.
I was wondering where the slingshots were.
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Sling-Shot
Not that I want to spark an arms race...
You're such an idiot.
Two words:
Duct.
Tape.
HOOOO-AAHH!!
http://www.instructables.com/id/Water-Balloon-Catapult/You will need an old towel, or some sort of rag that you can cut up. You will also need a length of surgical tubing, exercise tubing will work here as well. Lastly, you will need two small scraps of wood and some duct tape. You will also need scissors to cut the rag.
That's the real reason that the Egyptian goverment cut off the internet. To keep people from military technology.
You said what you said. I can't help it if you don't say what you really mean.
Yawn. Other Arab govts all support Mubarak.
Any US teenager worth their salt can build a potato cannon.
so is Friday going to have some action or what? I wanna see some action.
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