We need to send a giant octagon over there.
I don't understand why some of you can't just acknowledge that what you first said was a mistake and you now realize it. Is it really that hard to do that? Comparing the tea party to Egypt is just ing moronic to begin with, but you only make it worse when you act as if everyone's reading comprehension is the problem and not the idiocy you spewed.
I agree, but in my uneducated non-Egyptian opinion, a peaceful and ceaseless demonstration of devotion to change, 24/7 in the epicenter of the conflict will sway the military to the anti-government side.
What that means to the US and its interests, I dont know and dont care.
Perhaps, but most of these protests seem to be spur-of-the-moment, not carefully planned out. Given that, you're going to get all sorts of people with different agendas/mindsets on what works best.
Not to mention the criminals who might be stirring stuff up to keep police/military involved with the riots and not other criminal activity.
Tell that to Chris Matthews.
What's Tweety got to do with it?
Respecfully, you should care. What happens there has some pretty important implications to US security.
I wish we were a bit less cozy with dictators, because when like this happens, you just can't throw your former "friend" under the bus, like his worthless despotic ass deserves.
Instead, we have to tap-dance around the fact that Mubarik needs to GTFO, so we don't discourage our other "friends", who deserve similar fates.
The rational side of me understands the necessity of realpolitik, but the idealistic side says " the consequences, we should live our own self-professed ideals, and tell the despots to suck it, no matter how badly we need them".
some how i can see this uprising being blamed on americans in the long run (by BOTH sides)
He's been comparing the Muslim Brotherhood to the Tea Party.
I don't watch Christ Matthews but anyone who's comparing Egypt to the United States is being really stupid.
Mubarak won't, but the opposition could easily blame us for keeping him in power.
did barak step down yet?
Ummmmm, no.you are comparing Mubarak's reign of oppresion to the United States????
I understand that in the broadest sense only.
...which is where the "I dont care" portion of my statement comes in. The US has propped up its dictators/autocrats for its own selfish interest, speaking from three sides of our mouth about the need for democratic governments the world over.I wish we were a bit less cozy with dictators, because when like this happens, you just can't throw your former "friend" under the bus, like his worthless despotic ass deserves.
Instead, we have to tap-dance around the fact that Mubarik needs to GTFO, so we don't discourage our other "friends", who deserve similar fates.
I realize that even a semi-theocratic or fully democratic Egypt is a boon to American interests and my amateur observation of the situation says that no matter what the outcome in Egypt, America's standing in that region will be weakened.
Call me naive, but thats my take as well. Leave these people to their own devices, even if it hampers the US' long-term interests. Stop funding Israel, stop propping up dictators whose only use is to play along with American imperialism in the region.The rational side of me understands the necessity of realpolitik, but the idealistic side says " the consequences, we should live our own self-professed ideals, and tell the despots to suck it, no matter how badly we need them".
Pull out and leave them alone for 50 years while they most likely find any reason to kill each other and clean the mess up afterword.
So have we excavated and transported the star gate back to the states yet?
Future Egyptian President
Ok. Mubarak is saying he's stepping down TODAY. Good? Bad?
I think it's going to get more interesting now. I don't have a good feeling about what's going to happen and how it all plays out.
Bueller? Bueller?
Anyway, now Egyptian tv is denying he's stepping down. Could get bloody today.
Dont know, but from what I have read, the military is stepping into the power vacuum. Is that temporary or semi-permanent? Dont know.
The military broadcast some-such to the protesters in the Main Square that (paraphrase) your demands will be met very soon. That indicates Mubarak's removal, but to what and to whom?
Ideally, the military takes over on a temporary basis while the politicians hash out a new Cons ution and then schedule elections (or something to this effect).
Less ideally and tragically, the military assumes full, permanent control. I gauge this as unlikely seeing as how uninvolved the military was during the "rebellion".
Worst case, another coup by some other interested group that doesnt represent the people. Fundamentalists? It would seem that isnt very likely at all according to some ST folks, but wtf do I know?
If a coup was going to happen why didn't it already?
Whoever comes to power will need military support. The military has been less than vague as to what or whom exactly they support, besides the general movement against the current government structure.
Ok, but if someone with enough influence to control the military wanted to act they've had weeks to do so. That they haven't makes you wonder if they will.
I think the military was just playing it smart. It wasn't like they had a deadline to meet to make a decision...
Had they moved too quickly and Mubarak still survived heads would have literally rolled and he would have gutted the military command structure.
I agree, but instability fosters many variables. The longer Mubarak holds off resigning, the more it becomes apparent that someone/some en y needs to remove him. Forcefully if need be.
Mubarak is not relinquishing, his country is at a complete standstill right now and he will not resign.
A coup, to me, is imminent.
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