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[MiamiHeat]

discrimination against sexuals....

That's not a problem exclusive to religion. I am atheist and I don't accept sexuality. I just don't believe that we should blur the gender roles. It is not beneficial, or you could even go deeper and say it's harmful to our culture, our physical health (proven fact), and our species. I could accept people who were bi-sexual, because they should have the right to do perverse things I guess, but creating family units should only be between man and woman.

I'm not the only atheist who believes that so it's not just a religious issue.

[jack sommerset]

That's not a problem exclusive to religion. I am atheist and I don't accept sexuality. I just don't believe that we should blur the gender roles. It is not beneficial, or you could even go as far as and it's harmful to our culture and our species. I could accept people who were bi-sexual, because they should have the right to do perverse things I guess, but creating family units should only be between man and woman.

I'm not the only atheist who believes that so it's not just a religious issue.

Amen.

[Proxy]

Marriage is a christian definition. In this aspect, it is connected....

but truth be told, the education of sexuality has been dumbed down by dogma.

Do you realize that sexuality is entirely genetics? Someone born with the makeup of their opposite gender telling them that the same gender is attractive.... is not a choice... you are born with that. There's a reason animals behave in similar patterns.

and harmful to our species? Don't give me that weak . sexuals are such a tiny minority in this world, and reproduction has never been an issue.

and to tell you guys the truth, it really is none of your business.

[jack sommerset]

Marriage is a christian definition. In this aspect, it is connected....

but truth be told, the education of sexuality has been dumbed down by dogma.

Do you realize that sexuality is entirely genetics? Someone born with the makeup of their opposite gender telling them that the same gender is attractive.... is not a choice... you are born with that. There's a reason animals behave in similar patterns.

and harmful to our species? Don't give me that weak . sexuals are such a tiny minority in this world, and reproduction has never been an issue.

and to tell you guys the truth, it really is none of your business.

That explains why George s animals. He is born with it.

[Proxy]

That explains why George s animals. He is born with it.

This is also an explanation why your phobia is just as misguided as racism.

[jack sommerset]

This is also an explanation why your phobia is just as misguided as racism.

I think it's bigotry not racism. So I can't help myself because I was born this way.

[MiamiHeat]

Marriage is a christian definition. In this aspect, it is connected....

Marriage pre-dates recorded history. You actually believed marriage is defined by Christianity? Are you serious?

Do you realize that sexuality is entirely genetics? Someone born with the makeup of their opposite gender telling them that the same gender is attractive.... is not a choice... you are born with that. There's a reason animals behave in similar patterns.

There is no scientific evidence or proof of genetic sexuality. None.

Secondly, even if I humored you, then we could call it a disease, a malfunction, the same as many other genetic defects. For it is plainly obvious to our reproductive organs that man and woman should be in union, and not man-man, or woman-woman.

Still, I'd like to see any proof you have, because I have studied it and there isn't any.

and harmful to our species? Don't give me that weak . sexuals are such a tiny minority in this world, and reproduction has never been an issue.

sexuality is harmful to your health. It is discouraged by modern medicine. There is a long list of health problems associated with sexuality, mainly in men.

Yes it is harmful to the species, because it blurs gender roles, culture, etc... I am not talking about population replacement.

and to tell you guys the truth, it really is none of your business.

I am not advocating a sexual witch hunt. What people do in closed doors, we have nothing to do with. I merely don't support the notion of a government legitimizing such a perverse practice, or a culture accepting it.

[MiamiHeat]

This is also an explanation why your phobia is just as misguided as racism.

As I see it, you are misguided.

You believe, as some others do, that the world should be a place of complete freedom to do whatever you like, and to with the consequences. These are childish ideas that lack foresight. As an example, it is very similar to the people who support WikiLeaks.

"All classified info should be open to the public in a democratic society!!" they say. This is flawed thinking, and imo, childish, as I said before. Some things must be kept secret, such as things that can hurt us. You know this, and I know this. It is the same with all things.

I believe freedom of thought and action are sacred, but not EVERYTHING is acceptable.

[Proxy]

Marriage pre-dates recorded history. You actually believed marriage is defined by Christianity? Are you serious?




There is no scientific evidence or proof of genetic sexuality. None.

Secondly, even if I humored you, then we could call it a disease, a malfunction, the same as many other genetic defects. For it is plainly obvious to our reproductive organs that man and woman should be in union, and not man-man, or woman-woman.

Still, I'd like to see any proof you have, because I have studied it and there isn't any.





sexuality is harmful to your health. It is discouraged by modern medicine. There is a long list of health problems associated with sexuality, mainly in men.

Yes it is harmful to the species, because it blurs gender roles, culture, etc... I am not talking about population replacement.




I am not advocating a sexual witch hunt. What people do in closed doors, we have nothing to do with. I merely don't support the notion of a government legitimizing such a perverse practice, or a culture accepting it.

No, it is genetics. The size of your hypothalamus... among other things. I studied it too, in my college level, Human Sexuality class.

...and discouraged by modern medicine? Harmful to the species? Wherever you got this information from is misguided and fabricating lies. It is naturally occurring in nearly all aspects of life.

[Proxy]

As I see it, you are misguided.

You believe, as some others do, that the world should be a place of complete freedom to do whatever you like, and to with the consequences. These are childish ideas that lack foresight. As an example, it is very similar to the people who support WikiLeaks.

"All classified info should be open to the public in a democratic society!!" they say. This is flawed thinking, and imo, childish, as I said before. Some things must be kept secret, such as things that can hurt us. You know this, and I know this. It is the same with all things.

I believe freedom of thought and action are sacred, but not EVERYTHING is acceptable.

I agree with some of your points. For this country to stay on top, it has to play dirty.... and leaking information that could endanger US moles isn't beneficial.

...but keeping politicians honest? transparency to money sources? coverups to murder? ..... I had no problem with Assange leaking the video of the soldiers gunning down reporters.

[MiamiHeat]

No, it is genetics. The size of your hypothalamus... among other things. I studied it too, in my college level, Human Sexuality class.

No, it's not. I have read all about it. If I am wrong, I'd like to see it.

I specifically asked you to provide evidence of this groundbreaking genetic proof you have, because I haven't seen it.

Let's see it. It should be quite easy for you to find this "proof" that it's genetic. Show me articles, etc. I'll wait.

...and discouraged by modern medicine? Harmful to the species? Wherever you got this information from is misguided and fabricating lies. It is naturally occurring in nearly all aspects of life.

Educate yourself on the subject. I clearly stated the reasons and you just repeated yourself and ignored my points.

[Proxy]

And sexuality is acceptable. It does not infringe on anyone's rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The reasoning for not accepting gays is because they're different... well, you're no different than a racist if that's what you believe.

'that's how I was born...'

what a pathetic excuse. You're weak minded if that's what you honestly hide behind.

[MiamiHeat]

I agree with some of your points. For this country to stay on top, it has to play dirty.... and leaking information that could endanger US moles isn't beneficial.

...but keeping politicians honest? transparency to money sources? coverups to murder? ..... I had no problem with Assange leaking the video of the soldiers gunning down reporters.

Absolutely. Some things SHOULD be public domain, and this includes do ents that could embarrass and expose an administration. This is good for our country.

Other things should NOT be public domain.

So you see, all things must be kept in moderation. You cannot accept complete freedom of information because some of it can hurt us.

It is the same, in my opinion, with other aspects. Sure, we COULD just say, "the with it! sexuals should be accepted cause they can do whatever they want!"..... but really, there are serious implications with it.

I would never want to blur the gender roles. Man and woman are a perfect union, equal to each other, and of which the ultimate family unit can be created.

Also, about the behavior of men and women. I do not believe men and women should change their roles. For instance, men, are infused with testosterone and have, evolutionarily speaking, given the task of protecting the woman and the family. Of being the strong, head of the household, even though still equals with their wife.

sexuals do not want to accept who they are. I do not approve of men who behave like women, or women who behave like men. It's part of us to be who we are, the way evolution, has successfully, brought us here.

[ChumpDumper]

Why would sexuality blur your gender role?

Are you that insecure in your manhood?

[Proxy]

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/25.../1034.abstract

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...eep-study.html

http://www.socialvibes.net/HTMLartic...ALITY_000.html

there you go. I'm out. Have a good night, and don't let the gays bite.

[MiamiHeat]

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/25.../1034.abstract

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...eep-study.html

http://www.socialvibes.net/HTMLartic...ALITY_000.html

there you go. I'm out. Have a good night, and don't let the gays bite.

I've seen this before. That is not definitive proof. It is merely preliminary research that has not settled the debate.

As I said before, I am completely open to the evidence. If one day, science finally solves this and finds that sexuality is a genetic predisposition from birth, then I refer you to the following :

Secondly, even if I humored you, then we could call it a disease, a malfunction, the same as many other genetic defects. For it is plainly obvious to our reproductive organs that man and woman should be in union, and not man-man, or woman-woman.

A man's hypothalamus that developed incorrectly is a genetic defect. When speaking in terms of genetic malfunctions, imperfections in development, do we not find cures and correct the problem?

Would this be acceptable to you, to fix this genetic defect? or would you incorporate political correctness into this scientific issue? We already do it with hermaphrodite's, why not this as well?

[DMX7]

God wouldn't allow a genetic defect. He's God.

[Proxy]

I've seen this before. That is not definitive proof. It is merely preliminary research that has not settled the debate.

As I said before, I am completely open to the evidence. If one day, science finally solves this and finds that sexuality is a genetic predisposition from birth, then I refer you to the following :



A man's hypothalamus that developed incorrectly is a genetic defect. When speaking in terms of genetic malfunctions, imperfections in development, do we not find cures and correct the problem?

Would this be acceptable to you, to fix this genetic defect? or would you incorporate political correctness into this scientific issue? We already do it with hermaphrodite's, why not this as well?

As far as I know, parents can decide the fate of a hermaphrodite at birth, or leave it to the child. Deciding it at birth is wrong in my opinion. In the situation, you play a 50/50 chance in matching the sex and gender. Sadly, in the situation of parents choosing at birth, men will grow up in a woman's body and vice versa.... I would think that this further supports that sexuality is a genetic difference.

It is up to the person. People can get sex changes if they want. People can get abortions if they want. People can get horns implanted in their head if they want. If someone wants to have surgery on their hypothalamus, then it is their choice entirely.

Still, my opinion is that it isn't anyone's business. It isn't harmful to the human race, as it occurs on every level of animal intelligence.

It is wrong for someone genetically wired, or even if they, for whatever reason decide to be gay, to be ridiculed and treated unequally. When it comes down to it, I shouldn't even have to prove that sexuality can be scientifically explained, because, like I said before, it is hated in the same manner as racism.

[DarrinS]

We would be a much more advanced race if science was fully accepted.

Aside from the wars, racism, and sexism.... corrupted churches and murders... discrimination against sexuals.... we wouldn't have to deal with uneducated creationist bull .

Our space exploration would be further along... our stem cell research would be further along... sexual education for teens would actually be efficient....

hey, you know what. I named all of the consequences of religion.... and you could use the same paragraph to describe a conservative. Go figure!

You know, there was a country that wanted to replace religion with atheism.

The Soviet Union

Sure worked out great, didn't it?

[Proxy]

You know, there was a country that wanted to replace religion with atheism.

The Soviet Union

Sure worked out great, didn't it?

why don't you address my points instead of reciting bill o'reilly.

[RandomGuy]

Do you realize that sexuality is entirely genetics?

There is actually little consensus on this subject.

Evolutionary pressures would suggest that such genes would breed themselves out eventually.

The closest thing that there is as to a consensus is that there is some biological basis, despite the beliefs of many religious conservatives that it is a "choice".

Studies done on fetal development do show that some evironmental things can actually become hereditary, and that stress in some phases of pregnancy can cause some specific traits in both morphology and psychology.
(this is my memory of somethign I read, but would be hard pressed to find again)

Given that sexual selection and drives are strongly biological functions, this by itself would tend to suggest that "it's a choice" is a rather unlikely explanation.

[DarrinS]

why don't you address my points instead of reciting bill o'reilly.

I took your point to be that the world would be much more advanced if only everyone were athiests. I thought I addressed that point rather well by pointing out the failed Soviet Union.

There is a smugness about you and the OP, who think you are so much more rational than someone who believes in a supreme being. It's ironic that someone can dig up an artifact and declare it a tool, designed by an intelligent being, but cannot apply the same logic something much more complex.

[RandomGuy]

You know, there was a country that wanted to replace religion with atheism.

The Soviet Union

Sure worked out great, didn't it?

As you are so fond of pointing out in debates in global warming correlation is not causation.

Unless, of course, it suits your argument, right?

[DarrinS]

As you are so fond of pointing out in debates in global warming correlation is not causation.

Unless, of course, it suits your argument, right?

I don't think lack of religion caused the Soviet Union to crumble, I just don't think a truly Godless society would be the utopia that Proxy suggests it would be.


I hope Proxy never wants to be a Free Mason. They don't accept atheists.

[RandomGuy]

Evidence is all around you, if you're looking for it.

It is indeed. None of that evidence we have thus far found requires an omniscient ominipotent God for our existance.