Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

[Winehole23]

ohmwrecker seems to have a hard time admitting greyforest is right about whole foods being more expensive, so he continues to distract, derail and split hairs.

(Being right must be very, very important.)

[ohmwrecker]

So apparently your conclusion is that the government is taking whole grain food out of the equation.

I was asking questions to give you the opportunity to provide evidence of such. You haven't, so I'll go ahead and call bull .

No more troubles.

You asked me to name one specific food that a government subsidized farm that grow massive corn crops cannot grow and I gave one example.

Provide evidence of what? You are having a purposefully obtuse semantic argument and I am not participating. The whole point of the OP is that Americans choose to eat junk because it is A) cheaper B) more available C) more convenient.

I am trying to show that it is harder, but not impossible to make healthier choices. If you want to disagree, that's your prerogative, but nothing I said is bull . It's all fact. If you don't believe me, look it up for yourself.

[ohmwrecker]

ohmwrecker seems to have a hard time admitting greyforest is right about whole foods being more expensive, so he continues to distract, derail and split hairs.

(Being right must be very, very important.)

Never made the claim tbh. Where do I "distract, derail and split hairs"?

I don't care about being "right", whatever that means. I'm not the one trying to disprove or discredit anything.

[sickdsm]

I see where you're trying to go with the whole farms not being able to grow anything they want.

Years ago, like in 20 years, yes, the govt. specifically told you how many acres of each crop you could grow. What ohm i think is trying to say it is not economically feasible to grow anything other than corn/beans??? The farm program has always been for keeping the govt. in control of the food situation. You can guarantee that i'm always going to raise what I can make the most money from. I could give a about some idiots saying that on my land i should grow food for them. Whether its soybeans for plastic, cotton for clothing, hemp for rope, or switchgrass/corn for ethanol, don't think for a second that the american farmers are a nonprofit organization. Govt's that don't subsidy the crops they need are the ones that the people stave while the farmers grow things like poppys.

I imagine I could grow fruit/veggies but the climate wouldn't be ideal for that here. Not only that but the infrastructure/workers need to be in the area. In the whole world, this is where corn is grown! I don't know why such a wonderful resource is constantly being tried to bend towards something else.

[sickdsm]

I was going to argue with you ohm about healthy being more expensive but when you brake it down to the essentials, you're pretty close on costs. When people make even basic meals, a lot is premade. , my wife makes awesome homemade pizza but we both laugh when we realize she's doing it with premade dough mix.


If someone wants to complain about fruits/veggies being expensive, try growing them yourselves. Very fussy in regards to disease, moisture, insects and regulations. Labor and time intensive and not to mention few areas are ideal for each type of fruit.

[LnGrrrR]

Provide evidence of what? You are having a purposefully obtuse semantic argument and I am not participating. The whole point of the OP is that Americans choose to eat junk because it is A) cheaper B) more available C) more convenient.

Do you disagree with A, B or C?

I am trying to show that it is harder, but not impossible to make healthier choices. If you want to disagree, that's your prerogative, but nothing I said is bull . It's all fact. If you don't believe me, look it up for yourself.

Has anyone said it's impossible to eat healthy food? Looks like a strawman to me.

[ohmwrecker]

Do you disagree with A, B or C?

Nope.

Has anyone said it's impossible to eat healthy food? Looks like a strawman to me.

Why so literal? All I am saying is that it is not as hard as people make it out to be. When you think about the health benefits, especially for children, it is worth the slight increase in cost, time, effort and small inconvenience.

Strawman? I've stuck as close to my original point as possible. Especially with four people arguing against everything but the point I am making.

[Blake]

but nothing I said is bull . It's all fact.

bull

The government is literally pushing junk food on the American public and taking the market for fresh, healthy food out of the equation.

bull

[Blake]

Why so literal? All I am saying is that it is not as hard as people make it out to be. When you think about the health benefits, especially for children, it is worth the slight increase in cost, time, effort and small inconvenience.

Strawman? I've stuck as close to my original point as possible. Especially with four people arguing against everything but the point I am making.

healthy food is as cheap yet is being taken out of the equation.

tightrope much?

[ohmwrecker]

healthy food is cheaper yet is being taken out of the equation.

tightrope much?

I never said healthy food was cheaper. I said it is being taken out of the equation in the context of a government subsidized farm that is not allowed to grow it if they want to keep their subsidy. No bull .

Dense much?

[Blake]

I never said healthy food was cheaper.

edited accordingly.

I said it is being taken out of the equation in the context of a government subsidized farm that is not allowed to grow it if they want to keep their subsidy. No bull .

Dense much?

you literally said the American government is literally pushing junk food on the American public.

bull much?

[ohmwrecker]

edited accordingly.

lol What?!

you literally said the American government is literally pushing junk food on the American public.

bull much?

The government pay farmers to grow corn (and nothing else) to be used to process hfcs. If those farms grow anything else for profit the government will take away their subsidy. Therefore, the government is paying farmers to produce junk food to the detriment of the health of it's citizens. I don't know how much more clearly I can state this fact.
Honestly, I am out of patience in regards to arguing this point with someone who is too stupid, or pretending to be too stupid, to comprehend what I am saying. If you disagree with me, I am fine with that, but as far as I am concerned, this conversation is over.

[LnGrrrR]

Nope.

I don't quite see your argument then. You agree with the OP.

If you agree with A, B, and C, maybe you should argue about the reason why people seem to eat junk food more. Is it because junk food is cheaper now than it used to be compared to healthy foods? are people intrinsically more lazy/dumber/etc? A lack of time to prepare healthy food?

Why so literal? All I am saying is that it is not as hard as people make it out to be. When you think about the health benefits, especially for children, it is worth the slight increase in cost, time, effort and small inconvenience.

Again, I don't think anyone is arguing about the worthiness of eating healthy food.

You cast off the increase in time/cost as "slight" and a "small" inconvenience. To you, it might be, to others, it might not. Maybe that extra hour of rest a person gets when they get home is worth more to them than preparing a meal.

Your argument seems to be that

Everyone seems to have forgotten that people used to eat a lot healthier with less conveniences than we have now. It's ignorance and laziness. There's no getting around that.

Without bothering to note other factors, ie. cost of food, prevalence of two workers in the household, etc etc.

Heck, you outright dismiss a scientific study.

[ohmwrecker]

I don't quite see your argument then. You agree with the OP.

If you agree with A, B, and C, maybe you should argue about the reason why people seem to eat junk food more. Is it because junk food is cheaper now than it used to be compared to healthy foods? are people intrinsically more lazy/dumber/etc? A lack of time to prepare healthy food?

I really don't understand the confusion. My argument is that the cost is negligible when weighed against the benefits of a healthy diet. I think it's more about people making the easy choice rather than the right choice.

Again, I don't think anyone is arguing about the worthiness of eating healthy food.

I agree. That doesn't make much sense.

You cast off the increase in time/cost as "slight" and a "small" inconvenience. To you, it might be, to others, it might not. Maybe that extra hour of rest a person gets when they get home is worth more to them than preparing a meal.

I can see the value in the difficulty some families might experience. When I first started making a conscience effort to make better choices, i found it difficult too, but once it became part of my routine and life, it became less of an inconvenience.

Heck, you outright dismiss a scientific study.

I'm positive that I did not dismiss the study.

[Blake]

....but healthy food does not really cost more. It is more about time, effort an inconvenience.

healthy food is as cheap yet is being taken out of the equation.

tightrope much?

edited accordingly.

lol What?!

Edited accordingly.

My typing did not stutter.

The government pay farmers to grow corn (and nothing else) to be used to process hfcs. If those farms grow anything else for profit the government will take away their subsidy. Therefore, the government is paying farmers to produce junk food to the detriment of the health of it's citizens. I don't know how much more clearly I can state this fact.

True or false: the government subsidizes other crops besides corn.

True or false: corn is grown for other things besides HFCS

Honestly, I am out of patience in regards to arguing this point with someone who is too stupid, or pretending to be too stupid, to comprehend what I am saying. If you disagree with me, I am fine with that, but as far as I am concerned, this conversation is over.

I know what you are saying and honestly, it's bull .

For the record, corn is a grain.

[sickdsm]

lol What?!





The government pay farmers to grow corn (and nothing else) to be used to process hfcs. If those farms grow anything else for profit the government will take away their subsidy. Therefore, the government is paying farmers to produce junk food to the detriment of the health of it's citizens. I don't know how much more clearly I can state this fact.
Honestly, I am out of patience in regards to arguing this point with someone who is too stupid, or pretending to be too stupid, to comprehend what I am saying. If you disagree with me, I am fine with that, but as far as I am concerned, this conversation is over.

I don't know where you're getting this from. If you're saying that if farms want to cash in on a certain subsidy directed at HFCS, then yes, they have to grow corn. Otherwise you don't know what you're talking about regarding crop subsidies. Virtually none of the corn I've grown has ever gone into making HFCS. Lots of farmers have never grown corn and receive subsidies.

[Blake]

I'm positive that I did not dismiss the study.

I'm positive you just dropped more bull into the thread

[ohmwrecker]

I don't know where you're getting this from. If you're saying that if farms want to cash in on a certain subsidy directed at HFCS, then yes, they have to grow corn. Otherwise you don't know what you're talking about regarding crop subsidies. Virtually none of the corn I've grown has ever gone into making HFCS. Lots of farmers have never grown corn and receive subsidies.

I concede that you probably know more about farming than I do but . . .

Yes. They have to grow corn and are not allowed to grow any other crops for profit or they will lose their subsidy. What product of corn, other than it's own pure form, is considered healthy?

[Blake]

I concede that you probably know more about farming than I do but . . .

Yes. They have to grow corn and are not allowed to grow any other crops for profit or they will lose their subsidy. What product of corn, other than it's own pure form, is considered healthy?

Livestock feed is considered healthy to livestock.

what percent of all corn grown in the US do you think is made for HFCS?

[ohmwrecker]

True or false: the government subsidizes other crops besides corn.

True or false: corn is grown for other things besides HFCS

Both of those things are true and I never stated otherwise. I am referring specifically to farms the grow government subsidized corn crops for hfcs. Don't try to imply that I am saying more than that.

For the record, corn is a grain.

It is. There are others.

[sickdsm]

HFCS is healthy.

Prove me how its not.


Doctors can't help you on that one.

[ohmwrecker]

Livestock feed is considered healthy to livestock.

We are talking about human consumption.

what percent of all corn grown in the US do you think is made for HFCS?

I have know idea. What percentage of processed foods sold in the U.S. contain hfcs?

[sickdsm]

I concede that you probably know more about farming than I do but . . .

Yes. They have to grow corn and are not allowed to grow any other crops for profit or they will lose their subsidy. What product of corn, other than it's own pure form, is considered healthy?

Again, explain what you're trying to say.

[ohmwrecker]

HFCS is healthy.

Prove me how its not.


Doctors can't help you on that one.

Uh . . . diabetes?

[ohmwrecker]

Again, explain what you're trying to say.

I really can't say it any more clearly than that. Sorry.