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    On credit.

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    (missed my spot)

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    Further, Yonivore is conflating middle-class en lements with state aid to the poor. The poor nuclear family is dead. The state is the provider of last resort.

    The problem is that we are comfortable with the cause. We accept the tradeoff because we are easy saited by all this bull we are able to buy.
    Then we're really ed.

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    The amoral Randian ethic needs to be shot into space.
    What I find amazing is that Rand was able to take some of the worst base instincts of humanity, and somehow spin them into being not only acceptable, but admirable.

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    Then we're really ed.
    Perhaps. There's always hope. Humanity has a way of breaking through inhuman arrangements.

    I hope.

    Then again, perhaps the Chinese model will dominate, one that more easily dispenses with imperfect social man than the American one with its silly nostalgia for human rights and such.

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    What I find amazing is that Rand was able to take some of the worst base instincts of humanity, and somehow spin them into being not only acceptable, but admirable.
    To many a "Christian."

    Dammit, where's that Whittaker Chambers piece (yes, that Whittaker)?

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    One of the main fundamental flaws in our system is that it is far easier to MAKE money when you have a lot of it... and very difficult to climb to socio-economic ladder from the bottom. That's why the gap continues to widen. It's also why a progressive tax makes sense.

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    What I find amazing is that Rand was able to take some of the worst base instincts of humanity, and somehow spin them into being not only acceptable, but admirable.
    Also known as telling people what they want to hear.

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    Naturally the perfect system mankind develops for itself would entail total domination by state and business elites. Family and God served their purpose, to a point. Not anymore.

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    Total personal domination of liberated man.

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    That Dollar Sign is not merely provocative, though we sense a sop ric intent to raise the pious hair on susceptible heads. More importantly, it is meant to seal the fact that mankind is ready to submit abjectly to an elite of technocrats, and their accessories, in a New Order, enlightened and instructed by Miss Rand’s ideas that the good life is one which “has resolved personal worth into exchange value,” “has left no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous ‘cash-payment.’” The author is explicit, in fact deafening, about these prerequisites. Lest you should be in any doubt after 1168 pages, she assures you with a final stamp of the foot in a postscript: “And I mean it.” But the words quoted above are those of Karl Marx. He, too, admired “naked self-interest” (in its time and place), and for much the same reasons as Miss Rand: because, he believed, it cleared away the cobwebs of religion and led to prodigies of industrial and cognate accomplishment.

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    I see a whole bucket full of sharp pencils.

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    Life of the community destroyed to liberate the golden few.

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    To many a "Christian."

    Dammit, where's that Whittaker Chambers piece (yes, that Whittaker)?
    Speaking of Christian, it reminds me of all those who turn Jesus in a "warrior" figure, and then claim they also are "warriors for Christ". When it comes to politics and religion, too often, people's beliefs in "what is" merely are a reflection of their ideas on "what should be".

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    Life of the community destroyed to liberate the golden few.
    Paris v. country. Home country v colony. The past looks like this too.

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    Naturally in the American public religion, the Son of God decides to be all that he can be in the United States Army.

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    Paris v. country. Home country v colony. The past looks like this too.
    Trad conservatism looks downright leftist at this point, no?

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    That is an oddly viable point of view. I'm inclined to agree.

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    leftist in what sense?

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    leftist in what sense?
    Antiestablishment (at least the current one)
    Antiwar
    Return to nature
    Community focus instead of self

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    Or perhaps it's more of the normal American political dialectic that the left has adopted some of what the right abandoned.

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    Still, localism is all the rage now, apparently (more of a response to corporatism) on the left. Not to mention the trend to self-sufficiency/agrarianism.

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    To speak very loosely now it seems to me that the USA getting sucked into a neo-mercantile system of global exchange, and accordingly we are colonizing along internal lines. The state exists to suck our wealth, in order to disgorge it again to global credit-meisters.

    We the people have become raw materials to our government and our bosses: human capital, so-called.

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