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    And why did Melisandre go back to Volantis? And where were Kinvara and the other red priests/priestesses?



    She didn't even care that he was the rightful heir. Jon didn't even want to be King. Dany wanted to rule together with Jon and the only reason Jon had to know that he was the true king was so people could conspire behind his back to put him on the throne. Sansa and Varys were trying to kill Dany off and put Jon on the throne without him even knowing, and Dany still trusted him beyond all reason.
    There are theories online that Bran is really evil. He purposefully set events in motion that led to KL being burned and him being named King.

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    There are theories online that Bran is really evil. He purposefully set events in motion that led to KL being burned and him being named King.
    but bran can't really see the future.

    he's had scant visions like of the dragon over KL but he cant just view it at his leisure. besides, visions of the future sorta implies the future is already predetermined... not subject to their changes

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    but bran can't really see the future.

    he's had scant visions like of the dragon over KL but he cant just view it at his leisure. besides, visions of the future sorta implies the future is already predetermined... not subject to their changes
    Even if it was 100% unintentional, Bran in the TV show comes across as malicious and self-serving. He went all the way to King's Landing to be crowned king. He gave Arya that dagger because he knew that she would eliminate The Night King. He got Sam to tell Jon about his parentage to cause discontent. He doesn't intervene in crucial moments unless it benefits him.

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    Even if it was 100% unintentional, Bran in the TV show comes across as malicious and self-serving. He went all the way to King's Landing to be crowned king. He gave Arya that dagger because he knew that she would eliminate The Night King. He got Sam to tell Jon about his parentage to cause discontent. He doesn't intervene in crucial moments unless it benefits him.
    how did he know she would eliminate the night king? she along with the rest of the northerners had dragonglass weapons perfectly capable of slaying him.

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    but bran can't really see the future.

    he's had scant visions like of the dragon over KL but he cant just view it at his leisure. besides, visions of the future sorta implies the future is already predetermined... not subject to their changes
    Even if he couldn't clearly see the future, there were times when he seemed to act in his own self interest. Like giving Theon one last pep talk so that he'd charge the NK and destract him long enough for Arya to get there. The Jon business is a big one (he needs to know), which only put a wedge between him and Dany, led to others conspiring against her, and Kl getting burned by Drogon, which he did get a flash of. And the times that he'd just glare at Tyrion the first could of episodes tells me he knew something else... that he'd his hand perhaps.

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    There are theories online that Bran is really evil. He purposefully set events in motion that led to KL being burned and him being named King.
    Yet he lets Tyrion the goodie-two shoes run the show while Podrick wheels him god knows where.

    He'd make a terrible evil king. Bran is more a a head than evil due to his lack of social skills.

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    Even if he couldn't clearly see the future, there were times when he seemed to act in his own self interest. Like giving Theon one last pep talk so that he'd charge the NK and destract him long enough for Arya to get there. The Jon business is a big one (he needs to know), which only put a wedge between him and Dany, led to others conspiring against her, and Kl getting burned by Drogon, which he did get a flash of. And the times that he'd just glare at Tyrion the first could of episodes tells me he knew something else... that he'd his hand perhaps.
    you dont know that though. you're assuming bran knew that would happen

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    how did he know she would eliminate the night king? she along with the rest of the northerners had dragonglass weapons perfectly capable of slaying him.
    He said that he went to King's Landing to be King, but he can't see the future? He can go into the past and make Hodor re ed, but he can't change anything? He can warg into Hodor to kill Locke, but he has no effect on the present? He can expose Littlefinger's treachery, but he can't expose Cersei's?

    Bran absolutely can see important parts of the future and he CHOSE to tell Jon his parentage just to stir .

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    He said that he went to King's Landing to be King, but he can't see the future?
    yeah this one threw me off, because previously they hadn't given any real indication that he knows what's going to happen in the future imho

    He can go into the past and make Hodor re ed, but he can't change anything?
    but hodor was already re ed, so that event was always going to happen

    He can warg into Hodor to kill Locke, but he has no effect on the present?
    every person who takes an action affects the present. that has nothing to do with him knowing the future

    He can expose Littlefinger's treachery, but he can't expose Cersei's?
    who would he tell? everyone around him already knows cersei is a cunt. everyone knows she blew up the sept.

    Bran absolutely can see important parts of the future and he CHOSE to tell Jon his parentage just to stir .
    we hadn't ever seen that demonstrating outside of fleeting visions here and there. he can go back and see the past pretty freely, which is how he learned on jon's parentage. just because he can glance into the past doesnt mean he can glance into the future. three eyed raven talked to him about getting lost in the past, etc. never the future

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    you dont know that though. you're assuming bran knew that would happen
    Perhaps, but it seemed pretty obvious that Theon was near his giving up point.

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    Bran absolutely can see important parts of the future and he CHOSE to tell Jon his parentage just to stir .
    Which makes the ending Jon got even more of a letdown.

    When Jon said he's sorry he wasn't there for Bran (Not like he could help it since Caitlin the made him leave for the night watch in the first place) and then that got Bran telling him he was right where he wanted him to be just pissed me the off.

    It's like his character didn't matter at all despite the show's importance hinging on Jon since season 5. This is why the finale doesn't work for me. As a Jon fanboy I feel cheated as .

    I would've been ok with him CHOOSING to go to the north on his own as his own punishment but not because good old Bran decided welp, you're completely useless to me so I'm banishing you.

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    yeah this one threw me off, because previously they hadn't given any real indication that he knows what's going to happen in the future imho


    but hodor was already re ed, so that event was always going to happen


    every person who takes an action affects the present. that has nothing to do with him knowing the future


    who would he tell? everyone around him already knows cersei is a cunt. everyone knows she blew up the sept.


    we hadn't ever seen that demonstrating outside of fleeting visions here and there. he can go back and see the past pretty freely, which is how he learned on jon's parentage. just because he can glance into the past doesnt mean he can glance into the future. three eyed raven talked to him about getting lost in the past, etc. never the future
    It was demonstrated in the final episode that he can tell the future. You admit it them deny it. And he can tell everybody what Cersei and Euron are doing, which would have helped immensely.

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    It was demonstrated in the final episode that he can tell the future. You admit it them deny it. And he can tell everybody what Cersei and Euron are doing, which would have helped immensely.
    unless he wasn't necessarily saying he saw it coming. but that he came all this way knowing that a leader would have to be chosen and he saw himself fit because of his knowledge and whatnot. it would be really dumb for the show to dive deep into his ability to see past events, and only have random fleeting snapshots of future events and then all of a sudden "oh he could see the entire future the whole time"

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    unless he wasn't necessarily saying he saw it coming. but that he came all this way knowing that a leader would have to be chosen and he saw himself fit because of his knowledge and whatnot. it would be really dumb for the show to dive deep into his ability to see past events, and only have random fleeting snapshots of future events and then all of a sudden "oh he could see the entire future the whole time"
    Everything in this season was very dumb, including Bran being elected King, so why are you qualifying now? He says that he went to King's Landing to be elected King, and you still think that he didn't know it would happen?

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    Spot on


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    Why would a cripple with no experience/leadership abilities and no claim to anything just assume he was going to be elected if he couldn't see the future?

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    Why would a cripple with no experience/leadership abilities and no claim to anything just assume he was going to be elected if he couldn't see the future?
    if everybody interpreted it that way then nobody would have been cool with it ... like wait this er knew all this would happen? thats not how it seemed to play off. i dno man, its really hard to make sense of this season

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    if everybody interpreted it that way then nobody would have been cool with it ... like wait this er knew all this would happen? thats not how it seemed to play off. i dno man, its really hard to make sense of this season
    He tells everybody that he knew what was going to happen, and nobody cares. He can spy on anybody in Westeros, but nobody cares. He is voted to be King for no logical reason. Nobody knows who he is or what he has been through, but Tyrion--who was "on trial," by the way--convinced all the lords of Westeros to make Bran king instead of just declaring independence.

    None of this season made since, and the electection scene is one of the biggest offenders.

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    He tells everybody that he knew what was going to happen, and nobody cares. He can spy on anybody in Westeros, but nobody cares. He is voted to be King for no logical reason. Nobody knows who he is or what he has been through, but Tyrion--who was "on trial," by the way--convinced all the lords of Westeros to make Bran king instead of just declaring independence.

    None of this season made since, and the electection scene is one of the biggest offenders.
    it mostly bothered me how quickly they all made such a monumental decision

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    It's amazing that no one in that counsel brought up Jon for King. Tyrion, Sansa, Davos, Brienne all knew Jon was legit but somehow just forgot to even speak for him.

    The act is more egregious when Tyrion had just spoken with Jon about being the right guy and Sansa had spoken about putting jon on the Throne before.

    And you cant say he has to pay for what he did to Dany (Which at that point was just a tyrant that needed to die anyways) while Tyrion had just committed treason and got rewarded with hand of the king again.

    What a hot mess.

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    tbh,

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    It's amazing that no one in that counsel brought up Jon for King. Tyrion, Sansa, Davos, Brienne all knew Jon was legit but somehow just forgot to even speak for him.

    The act is more egregious when Tyrion had just spoken with Jon about being the right guy and Sansa had spoken about putting jon on the Throne before.

    And you cant say he has to pay for what he did to Dany (Which at that point was just a tyrant that needed to die anyways) while Tyrion had just committed treason and got rewarded with hand of the king again.

    What a hot mess.
    Kit Harington was in Seville, where the scene was filmed, by the way. We got ten minutes of Tyrion walking around as filler, but D&D thought having Jon at Tyrion's trial was unimportant in the final episode.

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    Yeah, that's perfect. It's hard to even laugh at.

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