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    Let’s go on to Simon Johnson and James Kwak’s 13 Bankers. You mention in one article that “this book comes closest to the Marxist plutocracy conspiracy” theory of the crisis, which made me laugh, considering Johnson is, like Rajan, a former chief economist of the IMF.

    Obviously that’s way overstated, but it is remarkable that here we are in 2012, the fourth year after the crisis. We still don’t have an adequate regulatory system in place to prevent a crisis like this from happening, and the recent collapse of MF Global indicates that in many respects Wall Street hasn’t learned lessons either, in terms of the kinds of risks they’re willing to take.


    I’ve got this very simple view, which is that I don’t think regulation of the Dodd-Frank sort is going to work. The investment banks have got way too much talent, are way too creative and way too nimble for regulators ever to keep up. Therefore the real solution all along should have been to break these big banks up into smaller pieces, which is essentially what Glass-Steagall and the interstate banking regulations of the 1930s did. Once the banks are no longer too big to fail, then you can just let the market work the way it’s supposed to. If people take outsized risks and they get into trouble, then they just go bankrupt, and that is essentially what happened to MF Global. It hurts people, but it’s not a systemic crisis.


    That option was never seriously considered. We briefly toyed with the idea of nationalising the banks in the depths of the crisis. In the debate leading up to Dodd-Frank, there was actually one really interesting roll call vote. There was an amendment proposed that would have limited the size of financial ins utions. It was defeated something like 60 to 30, and if you look at the list of the people who voted against it, it includes Chuck Schumer and all of these liberal Democrats. They’re the ones who should have been leading the charge against this kind of concentrated power, but given where they get their money, they weren’t willing even to consider it. That’s why we still haven’t solved this problem. In that one specific respect, Johnson is completely correct. It’s not just a matter of corrupt money bribing people; it’s also a case of intellectual capture. People just can’t think outside the parameters that are set by this community and just don’t entertain certain kinds of potential solutions to it.
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    JPMorgan Chase, the largest bank in the United States, said Thursday that it lost $2 billion in a trading portfolio designed to hedge against risks the company takes with its own money.


    The company's stock plunged almost 7 percent in after-hours trading after the loss was announced. Other bank stocks, including Citigroup and Bank of America, suffered heavy losses as well.


    "The portfolio has proved to be riskier, more volatile and less effective as an economic hedge than we thought," CEO Jamie Dimon told reporters.
    http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-05/D9UM49MG3.htm

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    How J.P. Morgan Chase Has Made the Case for Breaking Up the Big Banks and Resurrecting Glass-Steagall

    Word on the Street is that J.P. Morgan's exposure is so large that it can't dump these bad bets without affecting the market and losing even more money. And given its mammoth size and interlinked connections with every other financial ins ution, anything that shakes J.P. Morgan is likely to rock the rest of the Street.

    Ever since the start of the banking crisis in 2008, Dimon has been arguing that more government regulation of Wall Street is unnecessary. Last year he vehemently and loudly opposed the so-called Volcker rule, itself a watered-down version of the old Glass-Steagall Act that used to separate commercial from investment banking before it was repealed in 1999, saying it would unnecessarily impinge on derivative trading (the lucrative practice of making bets on bets) and hedging (using some bets to offset the risks of other bets).

    Dimon argued that the financial system could be trusted; that the near-meltdown of 2008 was a perfect storm that would never happen again.

    Since then, J.P. Morgan's lobbyists and lawyers have done everything in their power to eviscerate the Volcker rule -- creating exceptions, exemptions, and loopholes that effectively allow any big bank to go on doing most of the derivative trading it was doing before the near-meltdown.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...=Daily%20Brief

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    JPMorgan's Outsize Trades Drew Interest of Regulators

    United States and British regulators have been in discussions with JPMorgan Chase for almost a month about the trading group that disclosed more than $2 billion in losses

    This is not the first time that the United States bank, which has a large trading operation in London, has run afoul of British regulation. Last month, the F.S.A. fined Ian Hannam, JPMorgan's global chairman of equity capital markets, £450,000 for disclosing inside information. Mr. Hannam resigned from the bank, and is appealing the fine.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=949341&f=19

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    Can you imagine what would happen to housing prices if all the banks were forced to sell their foreclosed homes?

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    be nice if they were that far along

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    How Wall Street Killed Financial Reform

    Two years later, Dodd-Frank is groaning on its deathbed. The giant reform bill turned out to be like the fish reeled in by Hemingway's Old Man – no sooner caught than set upon by sharks that strip it to nothing long before it ever reaches the shore. In a furious below-the-radar effort at gutting the law – roundly despised by Washington's Wall Street paymasters – a troop of water-carrying Eric Cantor Republicans are speeding nine separate bills through the House, all designed to roll back the few genuinely toothy portions left in Dodd-Frank. With the Quislingian covert assistance of Democrats, both in Congress and in the White House, those bills could pass through the House and the Senate with little or no debate, with simple floor votes – by a process usually reserved for things like the renaming of post offices or a nonbinding resolution celebrating Amelia Earhart's birthday.

    The fate of Dodd-Frank over the past two years is an object lesson in the government's inability to ins ute even the simplest and most obvious reforms, especially if those reforms happen to clash with powerful financial interests. From the moment it was signed into law, lobbyists and lawyers have fought regulators over every line in the rulemaking process. Congressmen and presidents may be able to get a law passed once in a while – but they can no longer make sure it stays passed. You win the modern financial-regulation game by filing the most motions, attending the most hearings, giving the most money to the most politicians and, above all, by keeping at it, day after day, year after fiscal year, until stealing is legal again. "It's like a scorched-earth policy," says Michael Greenberger, a former regulator who was heavily involved with the drafting of Dodd-Frank. "It requires constant combat. And it never, ever ends."


    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...eform-20120510

    And like the Muslim terrorists in THEIR COUNTRIES, the UCA in ITS COUNTRY will out-wait and out-fight any reform/regulatory effort, will gut any law or regulation.

    America is ed and un able.

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    One Month Ago, Dimon Called Critics Of Big Bank Trading ‘Infantile’ And ‘Nonfactual’

    The loss, and the embarrassment it held for Jamie Dimon, the bank’s imperious chief executive, came just one month after a private dinner party in Dallas at which he assailed two respected public figures who have pushed for policies that would make banks like JPMorgan smaller and less risky.

    One was Paul Volcker, the former Federal Reserve chairman, whose remedy for risky trading by too-big-to-fail banks is known as the Volcker Rule. The other was Richard W. Fisher, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, who has also argued that large ins utions should be slimmed down or limited in their risky trading practices. [...]

    During the party, Mr. Dimon took questions from the crowd, according to an attendee who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of alienating the bank. One guest asked about the problem of too-big-to-fail banks and the arguments made by Mr. Volcker and Mr. Fisher.

    Mr. Dimon responded that he had just two words to describe them: “infantile” and “nonfactual.”


    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...ics-infantile/

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    egg on his face

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    As always, top mgmt/top generals never responsible.

    Always only an isolated, rogue bad apple that falls

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    I heard a small handful of JP Morgan execs would be resigning...

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    JPM's chief investments officer has already stepped down. That's a pretty big head to roll....

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    no structural damage or changes, business will continue as usual, as will all gutting/blocking of govt regs

    "JPMorgan's Losses Could Top $4 Billion"

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...n?sc=17&f=1001

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    HuffPo with the Sheila Bair reaction roundup:
    Sheila Bair: JPMorgan Debacle Signals That Big Banks 'Too Big To Manage' By Bonnie Kavoussi

    JPMorgan's $2 billion trading loss is proof that the big banks need to be broken up, former financial regulator Sheila Bair said on CNN on Monday.

    "I think it does underscore that even with very good management these ins utions are just too big to manage," Bair told CNN.

    Bair, who served as chair of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation until last July, also told Bloomberg TV on Monday that the Federal Reserve's efforts to keep interest rates low are leading to more risk-taking by financial ins utions, pointing to JPMorgan's disastrous bet as a glaring example.

    Bair explained that banks are taking more risks to get the same return that they would have gotten on safer investments if interest rates were higher.

    "With interest rates so low now on the really safe investments, they’re going to higher-risk securities to maximize the spread, the return they’re getting," Bair told Bloomberg. "The regulators should be very, very focused on [this].... It can have unintended consequences of the type that I think may have played a role here with the JPMorgan trading losses."

    "It's not just banks that are feeling pressure to search for yield; it's pension funds, it's others that are traditionally risk-averse and perhaps should be, are looking for higher-risk, higher-yield assets to deploy all this money that has been pumped into this system," Bair added.

    Bair wrote in Fortune Magazine on Friday that it is time for the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates, since low interest rates are encouraging irresponsible risk-taking.

    "Near zero interest rates...encourage highly leveraged speculative investments based on short-term price fluctuations, not long term economic fundamentals," Bair wrote in Fortune
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1515397.html

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    Bair explained that banks are taking more risks to get the same return that they would have gotten on safer investments if interest rates were higher.

    "With interest rates so low now on the really safe investments, they’re going to higher-risk securities to maximize the spread, the return they’re getting," Bair told Bloomberg. "The regulators should be very, very focused on [this].... It can have unintended consequences of the type that I think may have played a role here with the JPMorgan trading losses."

    "It's not just banks that are feeling pressure to search for yield; it's pension funds, it's others that are traditionally risk-averse and perhaps should be, are looking for higher-risk, higher-yield assets to deploy all this money that has been pumped into this system," Bair added.
    Certainly agree with Bair 100% about breaking up the TBTF's, but this part jumped out at me. With the results essentially-0% rates having an underwhelming effect on the recover I've wondered whether or not it might be time to go contrarian and start raising rates. I know that's taboo to most traditional thinkers who believe that would stall whatever limited recovery we're having, but a lack of confidence seems to be holding things back. Would raising interest rates restore some of that confidence by providing a way to be risk averse while still earning something as a return on investment? I think Bair hits on a great point that with rates as low as they are investors are being forced into taking risks if they want any kind of positive return at all.

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    jumped out at me too. the pressure to seek a good return is always intense, how much more so in the wake of an epochal financial panic.

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    "People are saying" the JPMorgan escaped the 2008 crisis, but in fact JPM had to convert to an insured bank, just like Goldman Sacks, etc, to qualify for Bernanke's free money.

    That's exactly like people who can afford health insurance, but refuse to buy until they get sick. aka, gaming the system.

    below is great trashing of the deficit pimping for what it is: a distraction from the real problems of VRWC tax cuts and VRWC destruction of govt.

    Also, info on JPM

    Deficit Reduction: The Great Distraction

    This is the week of the third annual Deficit Fest, the event sponsored by Wall Street billionaire Peter G. Peterson. At this event, many of the people most responsible for the current downturn come together to tell us why we should be worried about the deficit at a time when 25 million people are unemployed, underemployed or have given up looking for work altogether and millions face the prospect of losing their homes.

    Past deficit fests included exchanges where Peter Peterson and former Treasury Secretary and Citigroup honcho Robert Rubin mused about their comparative net worth. We also got to witness President Clinton bemoan the fact that the Democratic and Republican leadership in Congress teamed up to prevent him from cutting Social Security. Had Clinton gotten his way, millions of seniors would be getting by on Social Security checks that are more than 10 percent smaller than what they now receive.

    Peterson is also known for his sponsorship of the "Economic Sleepwalk" tour, which was officially billed as the "Fiscal Wakeup" tour. This involved sending a group of policy wonks around the country to complain about the budget deficit at a time when the housing bubble was growing to ever more dangerous levels. While some of us were doing our best to warn of the imminent disaster, Peterson was using his money and political connections to dominate media space at a time when the country's debt-to-GDP ratio was actually falling.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-b...comm_ref=false

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    The performance of anyone doing anything will exhibit regression to the mean. If you do well at something, it’s because of some combination of skill and luck. If JPMorgan came through the financial crisis well, it was some combination of skill and luck. Remember, JPMorgan didn’t have as big a portfolio of toxic assets as its compe ors because it was late to the party; only in retrospect do we ascribe this good fortune to the supposed skill of Jamie Dimon. JPMorgan was never as good as people (both supporters and critics) made it out to be, so we shouldn’t be so surprised that it just lost $2 billion (and counting).


    The more disturbing thing isn’t that commentators fell for this statistical red herring. It’s that people inside JPMorgan seem to have fallen for it, too. This was Dimon’s response to a question about whether the Chief Investment Office was becoming more aggressive, as reported by Bloomberg:
    “I wouldn’t call it ‘more aggressive,’ I would call it ‘better,’” Dimon told analysts yesterday. “We added different types of people, talented people and stuff like that.” Until recently, they were careful and successful, he said.
    People don’t suddenly go from being good to bad overnight. What happens is they go from lucky to unlucky. They are the same people doing the same things.


    “Inside JPMorgan, leadership is stunned by the situation, according to two senior executives,” also as reported by Bloomberg. If that’s true, that’s bad news for all of us. It’s one thing if, as many of us thought, JPMorgan was consciously trying to take on more risk (as has been amply do ented, Dimon pushed the Chief Investment Office into profit-seeking trades) while denying it to regulators and the press. That’s what we expect.


    It’s another thing if the bank didn’t realize it was taking on risks of this magnitude. That implies that JPMorgan executives had started believing their own hype—that is, they believed that they really were just good, not lucky. And that should make all of us very worried.
    http://baselinescenario.com/2012/05/...organ-edition/

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    On Not Learning The Lessons Of Long-Term Capital's Failure

    Randall Dodd, Director, Derivatives Study Center
    September, 2000 -- unpublished


    Learning from mistakes is finding silver linings to dark clouds. Failing to learn from mistakes is condemning oneself to repeat them.

    Congress is rushing to deregulate derivatives markets – the markets for transactions such as futures, options and swaps. In order to not be deemed a do-nothing Congress, the House Republican leadership pressured committees to report out legislation in July, and they will be trying to bring a bill to the floor this September. In doing so, the advocates of deregulation seem to have completely forgotten the two key lessons found in the near disaster that was the collapse of the hedge fund known as Long Term Capital Management. LTCM, you may recall, leveraged $5 billion in capital to control $125 billion in assets and $1.4 trillion dollars in derivatives (mostly interest rate swaps).

    Lesson one is that a major problem in over-the-counter derivatives markets stems from their lack of transparency. Lesson two is that a major source of vulnerability in financial markets comes from highly leveraged transactions and ins utions, some of which are largely unregulated.

    Do these deregulatory proposals show that these lessons have been learned? Not the first lesson. The proposals not only fail to make any improvements in transparency in the over-the-counter derivatives markets, but they will actually reduce transparency in futures exchanges.

    The over-the-counter (OTC) derivatives markets have never been subject to any meaningful reporting requirements. The only public information about these markets comes in quarterly or semi-annual reports from the Treasury’s Office of Comptroller of the Currency and the Bank for International Settlements. However this information is limited to the aggregate volume of outstanding volume and open positions in a few major categories of derivatives. It is not enough information, and it is not of sufficient frequency, for the government or market participants to spot pressures or vulnerabilities building up in the markets.

    The futures exchanges and futures brokers are presently required to report on daily trading volume, prices, open positions and most importantly large trader positions. This information has been used effectively by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, which meets weekly to discuss surveillance issues, to detect and deter manipulation as well as to head-off potential "disorder" in the markets from the lack of deliverable supplies. These preventative measures enable the Commission to identify markets and traders with proportionately large market shares and contact them in order to inquire as to their purpose. If it does not relate to a valid purpose, it allows the Commission and the futures exchange to demand an orderly liquidation of the positions.

    Despite the lessons from Long-Term Capital and the successes of the CFTC in market surveillance, the current proposals will eliminate the reporting requirements for trading on some of the new regulatory designations for exchanges. This will actually reduce transparency in the derivatives markets.

    The supporters of deregulations will argue that there is no reason to be concerned with manipulation. They claim that it does not happen too often, and that it cannot happen in large financial markets. The facts are to the contrary. Even the enormous and sophisticated market for U.S. Treasury securities has been hit with a couple a major attempts at manipulation in the past decade, and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York has recently warned about problems in the repo market for Treasury Securities. The market for some commodities is larger than that for some financial instruments, and the grand manipulation of the global copper market was discovered only a few years ago – and it was discovered by the CFTC even though the manipulation was organized out of Japan using a British futures exchange with credit supplied by a French bank.

    Another dimension to the concern with manipulation is the degree of concentration in some of these markets. The most recent data from the Office of Comptroller of the Currency shows that the top four dealer banks are counterparties to 91% of interest swaps held by U.S. banks, and that the largest dealer Chase has over 42% of the market to itself. This is not a monopoly, but it is without question highly concentrated.

    What about the lesson on the dangers of leverage? After the LTCM debacle, Treasury official Lewis Sachs testified before the House Banking Committee that the question of how to constrain of the leverage of hedge funds was "the central public policy issue raised by the LTCM episode."
    This too seems to have been forgotten. Deregulation will eliminate the possibility of addressing such "central public policy issues" by completely excluding OTC derivatives from federal regulatory authority. Gone will be the ability to set minimum standards for collateral or margin, to put limits on the size of speculative position (as is currently the practice on futures exchanges), and to put the same obligations on the dealers in OTC derivatives as is placed on securities dealers who are required to make a market – and thus assure market liquidity – by maintaining bid and offer quotes.

    Altogether, the deregulation of derivatives markets is an odd policy response to the long economic expansion and the longer bull market – instead of protecting our lead, these policymakers are taking it as an opportunity to play more recklessly.

    Yet there is no urgency, and thus this rush to deregulate is needlessly risky. The prudential policy course to pursue is first allow time and resources to study these markets – about which too little is known – since the President’s Working Group’s report contained no such research or analysis. Once more is known, a broader public can participate in the policy debate. (The recent round of Congressional hearings have heard mostly from derivatives dealers and federal regulators.) And what will hopefully be learned are the lessons from past mistakes and how to adopt policies so that they are not repeated.

    Randall Dodd, Director of the Derivatives Study Center at the Financial Policy Forum
    http://www.financialpolicy.org/dsclessons.htm

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    via this article in HuffPo

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    oops

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    jumped out at me too. the pressure to seek a good return is always intense, how much more so in the wake of an epochal financial panic.
    I'm sure that pressure is immense. It's got to be most intense on investors who were content with avoiding big risks while still being able to earn an "average" return.

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    good point. seeking more exotic risk is now the rational thing to do if you want "average" returns.

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    how hard will Wall St fight to keep using insured deposits for casino betting?

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    for us or them? I'd say Wall Street is the odds on favorite there. Their case just got a little harder, but their resources and perseverance are vast. next week we'll all be talking about something else.

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