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    I'm sorry the truth hurt your feewings.
    So you've said, many times, but you never backed up the truth of it. Instead you just assert it by fiat, over and over again.

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    If only someone had a concealed carry. They could have taken out the shooter before he killed so many.

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    If only someone had a concealed carry. They could have taken out the shooter before he killed so many.
    What was the over/under on the appearance of this chestnut?

    Hack.

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    If only all the children had been armed with assault rifles of their own....

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    Police identified Gunnar Linaker and three victims of the bombing: Tove Aashill Knutsen, 56; Hanna M Orvik Endresen, 61, and Kai Hauge, 33.
    http://www.smh.com.au/world/first-na...#ixzz1TJimxZ33

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    If only someone had a concealed carry. They could have taken out the shooter before he killed so many.
    Something tells me that Norway's laws are doing just fine as it is. They certainly have a much better handle on crime and murder - even with this event - than the United States does.

    And this is spoken as someone who is a proponent of concealed carry.

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    They certainly have a much better handle on crime and murder - even with this event - than the United States does.
    God, no kidding. It's really sad watching the U.S. media dissect Norwegian crime policy.

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    American guns kill Norway's number every 3 days, all year long. (up your ass, NRA gun fetishists!)

    As if anybody but Glen BecKKKs devotees needed more evidence what a liar and slanderer BecKKK is:

    Glenn Beck's 'Hitler Youth' Slur on Norway Victims Confuses WWII Sides

    The young people who gathered at the camp on the Norwegian island of Utoya [4] were the opposite of Hitler Youth. In fact, they were the direct descendants, individually and ideologically, of the courageous young socialists who played such a vital role in the Norwegian resistance to the Nazis.

    The campers who were attacked were members of the Norway’s Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking (AUF), the Workers’ Youth League [5] that is the youth wing of the country’s social democratic Labour Party [6]. In the aftermath of World War II, the Oslo Trade Union Confederation purchased the island and given as a gift to the AUF in recognition of the sacrifices that young socialists had made in the struggle against fascism.

    When Hitler’s Nazi armies invaded and occupied Norway in 1940, they banned the AUF and imprisoned its leader, Gunnar Sand. His successor as head of the AUF, Trygve Bratteli [7], led the Labour Party’s crisis committee following the Nazi invasion of Norway before his arrest by the Germans in 1942. Imprisoned in a series of concentration camps, he was liberated in April, 1945, Bratteli returned to Norway as a hero who led the AUF in the postwar years and eventually became Norway’s prime minister.

    So Beck has got things exactly wrong with his reference to “Hitler Youth.”

    http://www.thenation.com/print/blog/...ses-wwii-sides

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    God, no kidding. It's really sad watching the U.S. media dissect Norwegian crime policy.
    Its the equivalent of a fat smoker with lung cancer and heart disease telling a marathon runner that he needs to get healthier and this 16 oz steak is the way to do it.

    It would be nice to hear one of our leaders for once say "hey look at them - we can actually learn something from them - we're NOT actually perfect."

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    Paraphrasing the Frenchman who said after 9/11: "We are all Americans now"

    How about after "Norway's 9/11":

    "We Americans are all Norwegians now (have been for decades)"

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    Something tells me that Norway's laws are doing just fine as it is. They certainly have a much better handle on crime and murder - even with this event - than the United States does.

    And this is spoken as someone who is a proponent of concealed carry.
    Well, as I see it, if someone wants to kill, they will do it with the next best thing available. The society isn't repressed like ours is. I would attribute that to having less crime, not the lack of guns. Like anywhere, if a criminal wants a better weapon than what can be legally obtained, he will get it illegally. After all, he's already committing a serious crime, why not a lesser one too?

    Comes down to this. If one or more adult at the gathering has a legal weapon, the killer likely would have never killed so many before being stopped.

    Guns don't kill, people kill with guns... and other weapons.

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    Well, as I see it, if someone wants to kill, they will do it with the next best thing available. The society isn't repressed like ours is. I would attribute that to having less crime, not the lack of guns. Like anywhere, if a criminal wants a better weapon than what can be legally obtained, he will get it illegally. After all, he's already committing a serious crime, why not a lesser one too?

    Comes down to this. If one or more adult at the gathering has a legal weapon, the killer likely would have never killed so many before being stopped.

    Guns don't kill, people kill with guns... and other weapons.


    So instead of taking anything from Norway's system and asking yourself why they don't have such high crime and murder rates you want them to incorporate parts of our system to lower their crime and murder rates?


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    Guns don't kill, people kill with guns... and other weapons.
    if it were feasible, should it be legal for a citizen to make a homemade nuclear bomb?

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    if it were feasible, should it be legal for a citizen to make a homemade nuclear bomb?
    Nope. You would never use a nuclear bomb to protect your house from a burglar or stave off a carjacking. Same reason I don't favor grenades being legal.

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    Nope. You would never use a nuclear bomb to protect your house from a burglar or stave off a carjacking. Same reason I don't favor grenades being legal.
    WC left his post open ended with "....other weapons"

    was wondering if a nuke was one of those other weapons.

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    So instead of taking anything from Norway's system and asking yourself why they don't have such high crime and murder rates you want them to incorporate parts of our system to lower their crime and murder rates?

    I already said why Norway has such a low crime rate. I'm only saying that legal weapons do not add to people committing crimes.

    Look at Switzerland!

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    I would say a liberal wacko who doesn't believe in his nations support or the wars.
    Fail.

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    The society isn't repressed like ours is. I would attribute that to having less crime, not the lack of guns.
    WTF does this mean?

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    WTF does this mean?
    We have too many taboos in our society that many modern European countries do not. The stigmas and taboos cause people to feel bad thinking or doing certain things that in reality are natural and harmless. Repressed actions can lead to such crimes.

    That's all I'm going to say on this. It is my opinion, so don't be a Chump over it.

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    We have too many taboos in our society that many modern European countries do not. The stigmas and taboos cause people to feel bad thinking or doing certain things that in reality are natural and harmless. Repressed actions can lead to such crimes.

    That's all I'm going to say on this. It is my opinion, so don't be a Chump over it.
    Entertaining that you don't even want to explain yourself.

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    A little late in the game on that one huh? How many posts back did I make my remark, then indicate I was thinking otherwise? That was post # 16, yours is #118. In post #30 I say what was in discussion was "hearsay" which included what I heard, which my opinion was based on.

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    A little late in the game on that one huh? How many posts back did I make my remark, then indicate I was thinking otherwise? That was post # 16, yours is #118. In post #30 I say what was in discussion was "hearsay" which included what I heard, which my opinion was based on.
    You still failed.

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    I'm sure I did in your twisted mind.

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    I'm sure I did in your twisted mind.
    No need to twist anything.

    You said it was a "liberal wacko who doesn't believe in his nations [sic] support or the wars."

    That was an abject failure.

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