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    Oslo: Bomb blast near Norway prime minister's office

    A massive bomb blast has hit government buildings in the Norwegian capital Oslo, killing at least seven people and injuring 15 others.

    PM Jens Stoltenberg described the situation as "very serious".

    The bomb was followed by a fatal shooting incident near Oslo at a youth meeting of the Labour Party, which Mr Stoltenberg leads.

    Norwegian media said at least four people were killed when a man opened fire indiscriminately.

    Police said the suspected gunman had been arrested, TV2 reported.

    No group has said they carried out the attacks.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14252515


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    Libyan's??

    Norway's government says it will scale down its fighter jet contribution in Libya from six to four planes and withdraw completely from the NATO-led operation by August 1.

    http://www.rferl.org/content/norway_.../24231274.html

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    Either they don't know.....don't show...
    ...or don't care about what's going on in the 'hood.

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    Several People (Possibly Many More) Reportedly Dead After Explosion in Downtown Oslo, Attack on Children's Summer Camp

    http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews...mp/#paragraph6

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    Will be interesting to see if its domestic or foreign. They have a suspect in custody, I believe.

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    Either they don't know.....don't show...
    ...or don't care about what's going on in the 'hood.
    Why do you say so? I see nothing to support that.

    Is there something you know about this that we don't?

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    Ricky!!!!!!!

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    Ice Cube did it?

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    Will be interesting to see if its domestic or foreign. They have a suspect in custody, I believe.
    Word is that suspect is 32yo tall, blonde, nordic and speaks fluent Norwegian. So it seems we're either dealing with complete utter wacko or right wing extremist (ehm, ain't that the same?).

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    Word is that suspect is 32yo tall, blonde, nordic and speaks fluent Norwegian. So it seems we're either dealing with complete utter wacko or right wing extremist (ehm, ain't that the same?).

    Whew, I'm just glad it wasn't a Muslim.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    I was mainly interested because the nordic countries have been free of islamic terrorism to now.

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    I'm disappointed it wasn't a Muslim.

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    Anders Behring Breivik, born 1979, practically without taxable income, living at Hoffsveien 18, Oslo, 1st floor apartment H, together with Wenche Elisabeth Behring Breivik, born 1946. Mummy's son then.

    Google rules.

    Added:

    Dude's facebook:

    http://nb-no.facebook.com/people/And...00002651290254

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    Just another right wing sociopath like McVeigh.

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    This is a damn shame. At least the heavy hitters have the weekend to decide how to spin this.

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    Word is that suspect is 32yo tall, blonde, nordic and speaks fluent Norwegian. So it seems we're either dealing with complete utter wacko or right wing extremist (ehm, ain't that the same?).
    I would say a liberal wacko who doesn't believe in his nations support or the wars.

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    I would say a liberal wacko who doesn't believe in his nations support or the wars.
    What makes you say that?

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    What makes you say that?
    Just a conjecture from tidbits I heard about the incident.

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    You didn't hear much about it, right? He defines himself as conservative christian on his FB page and was a member of libertarian-like party (anti-tax, pro-market, personal freedom) and its youth wing in the past.

    Now this part is complete online hearsay, some blog he could possibly be writing for explicitly denies them being the same person, but that same blog also pronounces an "almost certain Islamic terror connection to the Oklahoma City bombing" in a post just before that so I can't take them too seriously.

    So story goes that he is Fjordman, right-wing blogger with rather extensive wikipedia page.

    His last writing from early June is led When Treason Becomes The Norm: Why The Proposition Nation, Not Islam, Is Our Primary Enemy and in which he lambastes the proponents of multi-culti society as traitors.

    It would make some sense to go all rambo at left-wing youth meeting a month and a half later. They're traitors after all.

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    either muslim or chrisitan religion is for the birds!

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    I'm disappointed it wasn't a Muslim.

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    No kidding.

    DarrinS hears about this, and the first thing he thinks of is "damnit, it wasn't a Muslim, so now I can't exploit these deaths to generalize all Muslims into homicidal maniacs."

    A great group of people these Tea Baggers are... I'm sure this country will go far with you lunatics in control.

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    "Tea baggers" have what to do with this?

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    The omnipotence of Al Qaeda and meaninglessness of "Terrorism"
    BY GLENN GREENWALD

    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...nyt/index.html

    For much of the day yesterday, the featured headline on The New York Times online front page strongly suggested that Muslims were responsible for the attacks on Oslo; that led to definitive statements on the BBC and elsewhere that Muslims were the culprits. The Washington Post's Jennifer Rubin wrote a whole column based on the assertion that Muslims were responsible, one that, as James Fallows notes, remains at the Post with no corrections or updates. The morning statement issued by President Obama -- "It's a reminder that the entire international community holds a stake in preventing this kind of terror from occurring" and "we have to work cooperatively together both on intelligence and in terms of prevention of these kinds of horrible attacks" -- appeared to assume, though (to its credit) without overtly stating, that the perpetrator was an international terrorist group.

    But now it turns out that the alleged perpetrator wasn't from an international Muslim extremist group at all, but was rather a right-wing Norwegian nationalist with a history of anti-Muslim commentary and an affection for Muslim-hating blogs such as Pam Geller's Atlas Shrugged, Daniel Pipes, and Robert Spencer's Jihad Watch. Despite that, The New York Times is still working hard to pin some form of blame, even ultimate blame, on Muslim radicals (h/t sysprog):

    Terrorism specialists said that even if the authorities ultimately ruled out Islamic terrorism as the cause of Friday’s assaults, other kinds of groups or individuals were mimicking Al Qaeda's brutality and multiple attacks.

    "If it does turn out to be someone with more political motivations, it shows these groups are learning from what they see from Al Qaeda," said Brian Fishman, a counterterrorism researcher at the New America Foundation in Washington.

    Al Qaeda is always to blame, even when it isn't, even when it's allegedly the work of a Nordic, Muslim-hating, right-wing European nationalist. Of course, before Al Qaeda, nobody ever thought to detonate bombs in government buildings or go on indiscriminate, politically motivated shooting rampages. The NYT speculates that amonium nitrate fertilizer may have been used to make the bomb because the suspect, Anders Behring Breivik, owned a farming-related business and thus could have access to that material; of course nobody would have ever thought of using that substance to make a massive bomb had it not been for Al Qaeda. So all this proves once again what a menacing threat radical Islam is.

    Then there's this extraordinarily revealing passage from the NYT -- first noticed by Richard Silverstein -- explaining why the paper originally reported what it did:

    Initial reports focused on the possibility of Islamic militants, in particular Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or Helpers of the Global Jihad, cited by some analysts as claiming responsibility for the attacks. American officials said the group was previously unknown and might not even exist.

    There was ample reason for concern that terrorists might be responsible.

    In other words, now that we know the alleged perpetrator is not Muslim, we know -- by definition -- that Terrorists are not responsible; conversely, when we thought Muslims were responsible, that meant -- also by definition -- that it was an act of Terrorism. As Silverstein put it:

    How's that again? Are the only terrorists in the world Muslim? If so, what do we call a right-wing nationalist capable of planting major bombs and mowing down scores of people for the sake of the greater glory of his cause? If even a liberal newspaper like the Times can't call this guy a terrorist, what does that say about the mindset of the western world?

    What it says is what we've seen repeatedly: that Terrorism has no objective meaning and, at least in American political discourse, has come functionally to mean: violence committed by Muslims whom the West dislikes, no matter the cause or the target. Indeed, in many (though not all) media circles, discussion of the Oslo attack quickly morphed from this is Terrorism (when it was believed Muslims did it) to no, this isn't Terrorism, just extremism (once it became likely that Muslims didn't). As Maz Hussain -- whose lengthy Twitter commentary on this event yesterday was superb and well worth reading -- put it:


    That Terrorism means nothing more than violence committed by Muslims whom the West dislikes has been proven repeatedly. When an airplane was flown into an IRS building in Austin, Texas, it was immediately proclaimed to be Terrorism, until it was revealed that the attacker was a white, non-Muslim, American anti-tax advocate with a series of domestic political grievances. The U.S. and its allies can, by definition, never commit Terrorism even when it is beyond question that the purpose of their violence is to terrorize civilian populations into submission. Conversely, Muslims who attack purely military targets -- even if the target is an invading army in their own countries -- are, by definition, Terrorists. That is why, as NYU's Remi Brulin has extensively do ented, Terrorism is the most meaningless, and therefore the most manipulated, word in the English language. Yesterday provided yet another sterling example.

    One last question: if, as preliminary evidence suggests, it turns out that Breivik was "inspired" by the extremist hatemongering rantings of Geller, Pipes and friends, will their groups be deemed Terrorist organizations such that any involvement with them could cons ute the criminal offense of material support to Terrorism? Will those extremist polemicists inspiring Terrorist violence receive the Anwar Awlaki treatment of being put on an assassination hit list without due process? Will tall, blond, Nordic-looking males now receive extra scrutiny at airports and other locales, and will those having any involvement with those right-wing, Muslim-hating groups be secretly placed on no-fly lists? Or are those oppressive, extremist, lawless measures -- like the word Terrorism -- also reserved exclusively for Muslims?


    UPDATE: The original version of the NYT article was even worse in this regard. As several people noted, here is what the article originally said (papers that carry NYT articles still have the original version):

    Terrorism specialists said that even if the authorities ultimately ruled out terrorism as the cause of Friday's assaults, other kinds of groups or individuals were mimicking al-Qaida's signature brutality and multiple attacks.

    "If it does turn out to be someone with more political motivations, it shows these groups are learning from what they see from al-Qaida," said Brian Fishman, a counterterrorism researcher at the New America Foundation in Washington.

    Thus: if it turns out that the perpetrators weren't Muslim (but rather "someone with more political motivations" -- whatever that means: it presumably rests on the inane notion that Islamic radicals are motivated by religion, not political grievances), then it means that Terrorism, by definition, would be "ruled out" (one might think that the more politically-motivated an act of violence is, the more deserving it is of the Terrorism label, but this just proves that the defining feature of the word Terrorism is Muslim violence). The final version of the NYT article inserted the word "Islamic" before "terrorism" ("even if the authorities ultimately ruled out Islamic terrorism as the cause"), but -- as demonstrated above -- still preserved the necessary inference that only Muslims can be Terrorists. Meanwhile, in the world of reality, of 294 Terrorist attacks attempted or executed on European soil in 2009 as counted by the EU, a grand total of one -- 1 out of 294 -- was perpetrated by "Islamists."

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    He defines himself as conservative christian on his FB page and was a member of libertarian-like party (anti-tax, pro-market, personal freedom) and its youth wing in the past.
    I would say a liberal wacko

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    White "Christian" militant whacko right-winger bombing and murdering Soclialist party offices and kids at a Social party-run summer camp.

    "I would say a liberal wacko" -- WC

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